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I already made my case months ago with the Exodus narrative. Give me the proof texts in Ex 1-3 that teach that Pharaoh hated the Hebrews first and he hardened his own heart first. Plus you keep ignoring the fact that man's ways are not in himself! God directs all our steps! Also, you...

I have read those chapters and don't see in them what you claim. But what is developed quite nicely and EXPLICITLY in the narrative is that the first explicit mention of "hardening" speaks to God's hardening activities. So, give me the specific proof texts within those first three chapters...

But on the other hand, no one seeks after God per Rom 3:11. Tell me: Did A&E, after they sinned, seek after God? If not, what makes you think that any of their progeny would inherently have any desire in the evil hearts to do so?

So, God knew that all Egypt would grow to hate the Hebrews (Ps 105:25), so why did God have to harden the hearts of the Egyptians and their king? Maybe their hatred didn't run deep enough?

Demonstrating that God had neither compassion or mercy on Pharaoh, did He? But your answer begs the question: Are you trying to tell us that Pharaoh did a really poor job in hardening his own heart, so God had to step in to complete Pharaoh's lousy work? But if this is the case, how does God's...

Well then... it should be a cake walk for you to provide the proof text(s) prior to Ex 4:21 that support your theory. And try not to wimp out on me the way you did with Jer 13:23. :rolleyes: And then, Einstein, answer these questions, as well: When did God turn the hearts of the Egyptians to...

So...you are now conceding that God chose to not have mercy and compassion on Pharaoh, right? But I'm still waiting for an intelligent, coherent, rational answer to my question: Why would God want or need to harden a heart that the king himself had already hardened? Why was it necessary for...

Each and every person in the world? Even the ones God has given over to a reprobate mind?

So, again -- If what you say is true, then why would God want or need to harden the king's heart, since Pharaoh's evil will was perfect in line with God's? What is the purpose behind God's hardening what is already hardened? :rolleyes: Also, you still haven't provided any biblical proof that...

Why didn't you answer my question? Is it because you have no rational answer? Maybe God didn't raise Pharaoh up after all to demonstrate HIS power in this pagan king! Maybe Pharaoh raised himself up???

Well...if that's truly the case, the Holy Spirit is doing a pitiful, pathetic job since most in the world freely choose to die in those very sins of which the Holy Spirit convicted them. Maybe this accounts for why Jesus didn't pray for each and every person in the world in John 17! Jesus knew...

God created man "very good". But now...after the Fall, man has become very evil. And if seeking God is not spiritual activity, then what is it? In your world, it would be satanic? Earthly? Worldly?

The only words that important to FWers are those they add to scripture.

AMEN, Brother! Excellent post!

All of which proves that Cam takes his God-ordained responsibility quite seriously.

Pure nonsense. The narrative's chronology tells us which came first: God's hardening or Pharaohs'. Not only does the chronology of the passage tell us but the dictates of logic also inform our interpretation. Why would God want or need to harden Pharaoh's heart if the king was going to oblige...

Learn the difference alreadyh between "should" (denoting responsibility) and "would" (denoting a willful act). There's nothing in the passage that speaks to man's spiritual innate ability.

But I didn't ignore the central text to theory. And Act 17:27 does not teach anything about man's inherent abilities. You read that nonsense into the passage!

The passages I cited are actually appear in the chronological order of the Exodus narrative. My 12,725 had nothing to do with my "intentions" or "human reasoning:. Why can't you believe the Exodus account? Has God hardened your heart!? And I guarantee you that if the hardening of heart order...

Aw c'mon Billy Bob. Of course they have the power to refuse...just like Lazarus had the power to resist Christ's call (command) to him to come out of the tomb. God is simply a deistic-type, passive spectator when it comes to things pertaining to salvation. God leaves the results up to the...