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but that would not be 'listening to the voice of his wife' -- it would have been, specifically NOT listening to what she said.

since we know he wasn't deceived, it is true that in some sense he sacrificed himself - he wasn't deceived about what he was doing and what the consequences were: he knowingly chose to do what would result in his dying. but why did he make this choice? God says, because he listened to the voice...

Ruth 1:5 Then both Mahlon and Chilion also died; so the woman survived her two sons and her husband. does this necessarily mean that Mahlon and Chilion died at exactly the same instant? is it possible one died first, and the other, later? would that contradict the text?

you don't need an Hebrew scholar - it's clear in English as well. you posted, i replied - now we have both posted. this does not strictly mean you didn't post until i replied. it could mean we posted simultaneously or it could mean it was not until i replied that it was true we both had posted...

i don't belive he was with her when she spoke with the serpent no i don't believe he was present when she spoke with the serpent and ate. she was first in sin, but as you are describing, if Adam being un deceived, and being effectively a 'watchman' for her, then as the principle in Ezekiel...

if i can hide the future from God, i have power over Him, and time is greater than both God and me.

when i give you some of my purple cookies and say... 'now we both have purple cookies' ... it does not mean that i didn't have any purple cookies before i shared them with you.

suppose i have some purple cookies. when i give you some, then we both have purple cookies.

unlimited freedom = bondage? that's a new one

really like the look of the little acute ones :ROFL:

not sure not remembering, and not knowing, are the same thing. also, omniscient God not remembering sin is an incredibly profound mystery! :love:

i think i understand; you are thinking, there is nothing He cannot know, even what any person will do or think. but He purposefully hides knowledge from Himself, choosing not to know some things?

by narrowly redefining 'omniscience' - - saying most things are impossible to know, but God knows what is possible to know. the hinge point is their axiomatic belief that human agency is unpredictable, so that God's knowledge is limited by man's ways. i suppose it also must be redefined, 'with...

Psalms 18:30 As for God, His way is perfect i notice that this does not say, 'imperfect'

meekness isn't weakness.

that He knows all things past present and future, stands. Isaiah 46:10

... but not yet! you've completed your own disproof. as you say, those who "live like" - - who have a cultural so-called-christian model of ethical outward behavior - - "faithful Christians" - - vainly ignoring what The Faith actually is, salvation by grace through faith, not of works...

at some point later i will get to post #2 :ROFL::ROFL:

i did, as a youth. guess (1) why, and guess (2) what the resolution was? because i witnessed that my works were not worthy of Him, despite my will and my effort i confessed Him and Him alone to be Salvation it was at this point Salvation became mine, and no one in heaven or earth can snatch...

if we do not believe what is written, that is, we do not believe Christ is our fully capable and faithful Savior, and we find ourselves not seeming to be very 'saved' - - well duh. we're not. because we have not believed.