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i was mistaken, it is deism, not the most common forms of agnosticism, that you reminded me of. agnostics aren't sure if there is a god or not. deists believe there is a god, but that He created the world and then walked away from it, having no further interaction in it.

this is simply false. logic is in fact the purview of Christianity, which supplanted such things as the worship of rocks and stars, human will and merely physical processes, the later two of which don't seem to have yet been supplanted in your own thinking.

2 Samuel 6:22 And I will be even more undignified than this, and will be humble in my own sight.

on the other hand, as distasteful as it may be to earthly, mere deist, human intellect, the Biblical narrative is not only that God knows all things from all time, but that He also destined people and things and events from eternity past, and actively brings them about. Mark 10:40 but to sit on...

so you believe thought is a physical process, arising from chemical processes in your fleshly brain, not a spiritual process which effects a physical response? you do not believe that you as a person are a spiritual being?

amazing! God knows the future a few nanoseconds before it happens? wow, He is almost as prescient as a computer.

you are the one saying something is impossible with God, not me, and not scripture. you are the one saying things are hidden from God, not me, and not scripture. you are the one saying God's arm is shortened, not me, and not scripture.

we aren't talking about just anyone here: we are talking about The Almighty. can you think of anywhere in scripture that anyone ever found themselves in trouble because they ascribed too much glory to Him? because i think i can readily find dozens of instances where people are rebuked for...

as for me, i believe God can create a rock so big that He can't move it. and also that He can move it.

i was using your understanding of logic, so that we had common ground. CS1 said God knows what man does not know. you declared he had thus said God knows how to do something you think is impossible. so, your logic is that what someone says is equal to claiming the entirety of the most extreme...

well, one asks naturally, was this the first time Satan tried to deceive either of them? that is, did he every try to deceive Adam, vis-a-vis Christ tested in the wilderness, and fail?

if it's 'eat this, it won't kill you' then it's deception that he doesn't listen to. if it's 'eat this, don't ask what it is, no further questions' then it's deception too, that he doesn't fall for if it's 'eat this, die with me' then yes it's listening, and yes it isn't deception, and in that...

God knew you would say that ;)

however what Scripture declares is quite a different narrative: Proverbs 16:33 The lot is cast into the lap; but the whole disposing thereof is of the LORD. 'the lot' is an unpredictable ((from human perspective)) random event: completely unknowable future when it is cast. but the...

.. except you don't believe He purposefully created you; you believe yourself to be an unpredicted accidental creation of randomness. so you don't actually believe He is 'involved' in you apart from having billions of years ago created a random number generator, that He never imagined would...

. you sure sound agnostic.

you just said that whatever man doesn't know, God doesn't know.

a cone casts a circular shadow from one direction, and a triangular shadow from another. if all i had to do to perform what you thought was impossible was raise it by one dimension, what can God do, Whose thoughts and ways are infinitely higher than ours? who are you to declare what God...

yes we love Mem, for sure :love:

Adam knows what it is she is giving to him, or else he is deceived. likewise she can't be trying to persuade him it is anything other than death to eat, otherwise he is either deceived, or not listening to her.