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I think it honestly boils down to how we look at the works we do, I believe those that teach works are what we have to do to stay saved are wrong plain and simple. We don't do works FOR salvation, but we do work BECAUSE of salvation. He saves us to do works; He empowers us to do works in His...

Well, the obvious reason and only conclusion I've been able to reach, with this group specifically, is that they just don't KNOW Gods power yet because they've never been in contact with it. They've now started accusing me of saying that I believe everyone has to have a "road to Damascus" level...

I personally think encounters are kind of "for us" and between that person and God. I personally testify often of what God has done and is doing in my life, but I also do feel I have had a very personal encounter with God after I was born again that I usually don't share and never use to teach...

Unlike what, the DNC? Are you kidding me? You think people backing the president they voted for is a cult, but don't mention the religion of the world that walk lockstep on issues like abortion for any reason up to the day of birth (child sacrifice) and say it's awesome, but to execute a child...

. Again, this is you making up my argument for me. This is why any real conversations that might be worth something to someone, are impossible with you. You make us the enemy from the jump, then mold your every argument around this. Including making up our arguments for us. The fact you think...

See this is THE crux of our disagreement, and having struggled through this very issue I also to did not understand how we could "choose" Jesus and then be robbed of free will and not be able to "unchoose" Him if I felt like it. I didn't see how a loving God takes us in "free" but makes us His...

Here's the thing about this question of "can we lose salvation", the simple fact is that if we can lose it then that makes it 100% dependent on us, on our behavior to obtain. Why some can't grasp this simple concept I just don't know, and there's no way around it. If being born-again is just a...

You shouldn't, I'm horrible. The ONLY way this works is by Your mercy.

So what is it that seperates you from these over emotional decieved people whose God is their belly? Why doesn't everything you said apply to you as well? What exactly seperates you from them?

This is you adding your interpretation to scripture, that's not what it says. The whole "It could mean this, and it may mean that" is just you adding what you think it is to the text, that's not what it plainly says. You have to mold what it says to fit your ideas by adding extra words to...

Only one ignorant of the Holy Spirit can ask this. I fear there are many here that think they know Jesus and are born again, and they are not. I know what that's like personally and we cannot know these truths until God transforms us and opens our eyes to them. I have to assume those who talk so...

Who said it was guarnteed? I testify that one who has been transformed by the POWER of God cannot turn from Him. Not by my power, but by His, I'm saying that anyone saved in truth by the real life Creator of everything through His Son Jesus, can not walk away from Him. Maybe you can, but I...

The truth is that it's not the son that ran off and returned that is the real subject matter and focus of the parable. It's the older son. Jesus is telling the pharisees this parable, and it's the older son that was all "I've been here with you the whole time, serving you well with honor and...

Maybe you could, I couldn't.

Look, I agree with you 100% . I want to start with that so there is no misunderstanding about what I'm saying here. I do not believe we can lose the gift God gives us, it's not by our will or power we gain our salvation, it's the same with keeping it or losing it too. This said I can see how...

Thank goodness, for a LONG time this was just another thread with a bunch of people against a belief coming together to describe the belief and then "destroy" it without a single person that actually believes the opposite to be found. I just don't see much point in debating things with only one...

Man you are on a mission to prove that Gods power is weak and He can't keep us, that we can be snatched out of His hand, that He gives us to the Son just for some to turn around and walk away Him from later. I'm sorry man, but this seems the most important thing in your life to prove, the...

I disagree 100%, of course. I believe Jesus in Mat. 24 when He tells the disciples strait up that ALL THOSE THINGS would happen before that generation passed away and I reject the timelines, charts, dispensations, and gurus that you have to add to scripture to get to your point of view. I think...

No you didn't, none of those states clearly someone who was saved by God lost that gift, not one of them, so to say you listed 19 verses that prove we can lose salvation is NOT true. I don't want to say it's a lie, because you believe they do say that, but the FACT of the matter is not one of...

So basically, you're saying that the gates of hell prevail ALL over His word, ALL the time, right? If Gods word is so susceptible to corruption, then how can we even trust the KJV? You know there are mistakes in it too right?