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Who said the Spirit draws attention to Himself. He draws attention to Jesus. I thought we already decided and agreed that John 6:45 basically defines what draw means in John 6:44. When the Spirit convicts, is that basically what the Father is said to do in John 6:44-45, that is reveal truth...

When did I say that? You’re like Eleventh and Lena. Assume I’m a Calvinist and then assume I believe certain things based on that assumption Not hearing what I say, because your assumptions prevent it.

I said the same. But you denied that the Spirit draws. You said only the Father draws ( and only before the cross, which is a giant leap into an assumption) and the Son draws after the cross, and the Spirit is never said to draw Either way, if the Son’s light is attracting us before we believe...

All these things come before ( are prevenient) to our faith!!

So now you are allowing the Spirit’s prevenient work to be necessary. Originally, you weren’t allowing for it at all. You were saying “ the Bible NEVER says the Spirit draws. Only the Father and the Son. Glad you finally invited the Spirit into the equation.

Yes. You seemed to say it wasn’t necessary for one to believe. Man is without excuse because the knowledge of God is present with Him. But He suppresses that knowledge universally. Until God’s Light breaks through.

So now you’re agreeing with the point we originally disagreed on. Good. If you remember, John 16:8 was my original argument for what I am saying. So you’re telling me the Spirit convicted you before you believed. Preceding/prevenient grace. The Spirit graciously operated in your life...

Are you telling me that you just arbitrarily accepted the Gospel without any conviction from God? Is that how you got saved? What caused you to believe? Just an arbitrary act of the will? Like a whim or just a random choice? Or was there something that opened your heart and mind to understand...

So you're telling me that you believed the Gospel without any conviction by the Holy Spirit, without any illumination from God of the truth of the words you were hearing? You just accepted them as true, because of what? Was your acceptance of the truth of the Gospel arbitrary or was it based on...

No one will receive Christ unless there is first a work that prepares them to receive Him.

I'm glad you realize that John didn't say that all would come after the cross in John 6. The people who came to Jesus had already heard and learned of the Father through Moses, the Law, the Prophets, and John the Baptist. That is why they believed Jesus. BECAUSE THEY WERE WELL PREPARED BY...

I already said I don't believe in Tulip and I don't believe in depravity in the sense that T teaches it. How many times did I say that? TULIP says that you must be regenerated before you believe. I said I don't believe that. Do you have an issue with your memory?

I agree that Jesus drew all men to Him at the cross. There is no disagreement there. The disagreement is that I said that the passage does not say that all that are drawn will come. I don't believe in universalism. SO the passage neither says all that will drawn in John 12 will come. SO...

Show that He is what?

I guess Peter was dumber than the rest of us, LOL.

As do many professing Christians today.

Amen. I accept that. That is why you and I believe. Because Jesus drew us to Himself. This grace preceded our faith.

that is exactly what Pelagius argument was.

And I already know the next objection. God draws through the Gospel. Yes, He does. But Jesus was teaching the Gospel in John 6. And throughout history the gospel has been preached, and some believe and some do not. Yet in John 6:44-45, Jesus said all who are drawn come to Christ. The other...

2 Timothy 1:9 says we are already saved. Other places do too