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Curious. If you don’t believe in Christ we have rested from our works. How are we saved? Are you still working for your salvation?

Yes you are. The next verse is this: for anyone who enters God's rest also rests from their works, just as God did from his. Katapauo.

Like I said the rest of Sabbaton. Not Sabbaton. It’s the word right next to it in the verse. Are you seriously telling me you didn’t understand me? The word rest there is Katapauo. You keep saying it’s a metaphor of the Kingdom, but the context doesn’t teach that. You are reading way into it...

The Sabbath and circumcision were signs between the Jews and God. They were to show their need for rest. Rest that only Christ could give (Hebrews 4:9-11). The Law was given to the Jews. So they would know they needed mercy when He came. However we as Gentiles didn’t come through Moses. We come...

Yes, I’m talking about the rest of Sabbaton in Hebrews 4. It’s very similar word to Jesus saying enter into my rest. You’ll notice if you reread Hebrews 4 it’s saying unbelief isn’t entering into His rest. Those who haven’t entered in are not resting from their works. And this is written to...

In Hebrews 4, the Sabbaton rest is the word Katapauo. When Jesus says I will give you Rest He is using the word, Anapauo. Similar words. So, I looked at every instance of Sabbaton in the NT. And it’s fairly small, most of them are stories of events. I.E. On the Sabbath day this happened...

Not saying that. I am saying in that passage Paul is saying we can have rest from tribulations on the great Day. Pre-tribulation is an entirely different topic, most pre tribs I’ve found agree we have some tribulation just not the wrath of God.

This context is discussing tribulation. So Paul is saying you will be free of it. The word you underlined if you look in the Greek is the word, “repose”. It’s anesin. It’s also translated freedom, liberty, and ease. https://biblehub.com/greek/anesin_425.htm The idea behind it is basically a...

There’s a few. Here’s one: Jews hadn’t yet entered into His rest. Even though they did observe the Sabbath. Because God’s rest isn’t just a week day. It’s resting from our works. Hebrews 4:9-11 So then, there remains a Sabbath rest for the people of God, for whoever has entered God's rest has...

I hear you. I believe Christ is my spiritual rest. In fact, when He repeats the 10 commandments. And increases our observance. "You have heard, but I say to you.." He leaves out the Sabbath. Because we enter into Him as our rest, but yeah I agree the Kingdom (physical one) that comes will give...

Oh I see, sorry I would have continued on. We rest from our labors of working in His name. At the time, being a Christian was serious persecution. We suffer a little bit, but not even close to the scale that the readers of the time did. Loving people who hated you could definitely be...

Okay I got my laptop for this... I'll walk you through my process. Here is the Scripture: (ESV) Revelation 14:12Here is a call for the endurance of the saints, those who keep the commandments of God and their faith in Jesus. 13And I heard a voice from heaven saying, “Write this: Blessed are...

Well I do apologize. The way you recount those events to me does sound messed up. I can’t recall with perfect accuracy those events, but I’m sorry if I disregarded you in any way. Not sure what happened there. In response to your question on Revelation. I’m of the crowd that it was written...

I remember that time, I did that because before I had posted several long replies to you. And I didn’t feel you discussed them. And then you posted the same Scriptures I had discussed with you. So I felt we were going nowhere. And only God could intervene at that point. I try to be as fruitful...

Well, that’s fair, if you would discuss passages, but so far I haven’t seen you willing to discuss Galatians. Or 2 Corinthians 3. I’m fine with discussing interpretations, that’s completely fair. But ignoring them and Scriptures that disagree with our interpretation is a great error. Because...

Yes the Kingdom as a place is when the physical world comes fully under His dominion. But we as sons of God are lead by His Spirit now. First the Spirit. This is conversion. His Spirit and ours are joined together. We die to self. And we are reborn in Him. We are in Christ at this stage...

Yes I agree. His Spirit teaches us directly. Holy Spirit is our Teacher. The letter kills, but the Spirit gives Life.

The ironic thing is the Scriptures you’re quoting are exactly what you’re doing. You are refusing to find rest for yourself in the Lord. And as such you’ve ignored much of Scripture thinking it disagrees with itself.

Interesting because Jesus also says the Kingdom is in us. Or did you forget that Scripture? You have to understand the Kingdom of God is not simply a place. The authority of the King is His Kingdom. When we obey Him we are in the Kingdom. Thy Kingdom come... thy will be done. This is also why...

Torah is simply teaching. Nothing to freak out about. He teaches us directly.