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Here's an interesting Scripture: Galatians 2:14 But when I saw that their conduct was not in step with the truth of the gospel, I said to Cephas before them all, “If you, though a Jew, live like a Gentile and not like a Jew, how can you force the Gentiles to live like Jews?” It appears even...

Sure I agree, but He also allows us to make free choices. He knows the consequences of them. We do not. But what's incredible is that for those who love Him He also works it all out for good.

I see the answer being simple. It's yes and no. Yes from God's perspective. Since He knows the end from the beginning. And no from our perspective because whosoever calls out to Him shall be saved.

Yes, I understand your stance now. You're saying "ashes" only refers to the bodies, but not to their soul/spirit.

You're right not just Lazarus, I was mistaken. I believe Jesus quotes Moses by name because this parable is written as an instruction to the Pharisees who were listening. It sounds to me that you're saying we get the doctrine of eternal torment specifically from this story. And also through...

Here's similar wording in Isaiah 34: 34:9 And the streams thereof shall be turned into pitch, and the dust thereof into brimstone, and the land thereof shall become burning pitch. 34:10 It shall not be quenched night nor day; the smoke thereof shall go up for ever: from generation to...

Thanks for the post. I understand your thought process now. Do you find it weird that Paul, Peter, Jude, and John never mention the word "gehenna/hell"? And that in Acts (30+ years of teaching the gospel), we never see the word "hell"? I do. Especially considering the everlasting consequences...

I have no offense toward you, I don't see any fallacy. If Abraham was able to speak to Lazarus over the chasm, then believers and unbelievers would be able to see each other and speak to each other. Of course, I understand you're saying things have changed since Jesus went down to get them. The...

Jesus says be wary of the One who can destroy the body and soul in hell: Matt 10:28 Do not fear those who kill the body but are unable to kill the soul; but rather fear Him who is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.

Jesus tells the story of Lazarus and the "Rich Man" among a vast collection of parables, one after the other, but because "Lazarus" is named it must not be a parable is the argument. So let's assume for a minute Lazarus ISN'T a parable. Here's the things that must be true, according to the...

Yes, I am aware of how the doctrine of eternal torment has changed the meaning of the word death to mean eternal spiritual separation from God into an unending lake of fire in order to prove itself. But it's not at all the most literal translation. It needs to be taught like you are doing now...

Okay so just so I'm clear. What you're saying is this: Scripture says they are ashes (their body), but then you add in there that their spirits are still burning... even though none of those Scriptures say anything like that? Now in order for this paradigm to be true. This would mean that...

Awesome, thanks for the feedback. God is an ALL consuming fire. He consumes His enemies. Fire is for consuming. Here is an interesting thing. If you look up "torment" in the Greek and all the instances of it. You may see how it's continually translated differently. The same is with hell. There...

I can't change my post now, but I just reread it. And I'm sorry if my tone appears to be rude. I was trying to be descriptive, but it came off as belittling. This is an annoying topic for me because it's one of those topics that people rarely change their mind on. Yet I can't seem to not discuss...

Not really in the mood to argue today. I'll let the Scriptures speak for themselves. Matt 3:12 "His winnowing fork is in His hand, and He will thoroughly clear His threshing floor; and He will gather His wheat into the barn, but He will burn up the chaff with unquenchable fire." Completely...

Predestined is about who we are becoming like. We are predestined to be like Christ. Why? Because of our faith. God knows the end from the beginning. When Christ was raised up He drew all men to Him, but some men refuse to come to Him. Israel is an example of this, He longed to gather them, but...

No He’s talking about Gehenna a place where trash and refuse was burned up completely. The word unending/unquenching is about a duration. Not about eternal torment. The idea of unquenching fire is that it lasts until it’s purpose is complete. I’m writing this on my phone, but later I’ll be at...

The most literal translation of Revelation is that it was pointing to the temple being destroyed in 70 AD. That’s what would have had meaning to the readers of the time and the ideas of, “I’m coming very soon...” Yet 2000 years ago we still think it’s written to us about events that have not...

What also hasn't been mentioned is when death first enters the picture. If you eat from this tree you shall surely... die. And what is missing? Adam had never died, never seen death, and now his sin became death for him. But there is no mention of any eternal torment for poor Adam. You'd think...

I haven't seen anyone mention this. So here you go. Revelation is a prophetic book. It's not meant to be taken literally. In fact 2 verses later you read this: Revelation 14:13And I heard a voice from heaven saying, “Write this: Blessed are the dead who die in the Lord from now on.” “Blessed...