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Come on ,this is like when Atheists always use the ' slavery ' argument.

I blame James White.

Try the study .Its amusing if nothing else .

This three out of 5 of us are now kjv lol

I'd challenge anyone to hold a bible study using at least 5 different translations . I did this and it was quite alarming as to the differences . Ultimately the kjv was consistent and every time those with the modern translations had to go to the greek when a 'difficult passage arose . I was...

//When the Messiah came and died for everyone, there is NO MORE distinction between Jew and Gentile. Gal 3:28 says so// You said. Yes in christ . Who's making a claim that ' in christ ' there is a distinction?

There's nothing wrong with the context of this prayer. In context. Just like Acts 2.38 is not for the church age either, but its relevant in context.

Yes his disciples . Its not a major issue . I bring it up to highlight how some are making verses apply to them selves when they shouldn't .

Have you wondered why Paul never brings this prayer up for the Church ? Not one mention ? Yet we've made it a national treasure

Have you wondered why Paul never brings it up for the church ?

Why do these verses exist ? 24¶But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel. 25¶Then came she and worshipped him, saying, Lord, help me. 26¶But he answered and said, It is not meet to take the children's bread, and to cast it to dogs. Mat 10 . Mat 15...

Your missing my point . Why follow a verse/ verses that were not intended to follow ? No one but Jews were on Jesus mind when he gave it . This is US whilst Jesus gave that prayer . 11¶Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that...

Paul isn't telling them to pray like this ' OUR father ,blah , blah, blah ,ect " I've never heard any one pray the ' Lords Prayer ' " Father ...its always in unison " OUR Father " Most church services start with this prayer sometimes , just like Jesus taught it. A lovely Western mantra.

So you think Jesus is saying" pray like this ' Father...ect ect ect ?

I believe OUR is completely in keeping with who Jesus was giving that prayer to . The ' OUR ' was their way under the OT . I hold that meaning..the biblical meaning. We tend to grab verses and make them western American and name it and claim it .

What i see happening is we see ' OUR Father ' being given to Jews in a Jewish manner ,and we say " hey now Hes our Father, so therefore that prayer means now its for us too ' . I see this happening to lots of verses . Yes you can make that nice little connection, but it completely negates the...

21For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of PREACHING to save them that believe.

Its the basis of the fact that Jesus is the only Way ,the truth and the life . And the only way to the father is through him . But 'how' is not there . This is before the DBR .

Yes we can call God 'Father ' ( Abba ,actually ) OUR is corporate. Thats my Point . OUR in the context Jesus is giving to the Jews is a Jewish ' reference ' OUR , is the context. OUR !! GROUP , CORPORATE, COLLECTIVE . not individual

Yes I've read Galations. And yes I know it refers to unbelieving Jews and unbelieving Gentiles. These categories still exist out side of Christ . Thats my point . The bible still see theses distinctions. God still sees these and so should we .