WHICH Bible "version" Is Authorized By God?

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John146 said:
Your theology influences the words you choose? Wow! My theology is based upon God's words, not the other way around. You got it backwards Angela. If God's word goes against my theology, I better change my theology to match what God has said.

This right here is the danger of scholarship. Period.
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You don't seem to understand what theology is. It translates as "the study of God." But the point is that theology is secondary. If John or Paul had written, "you can't lose your salvation, ever!" Then we could take that as straight theology. But God never did that.

While the gospels were written to people to share the truth of Christ, from his birth to the cross and resurrection, and Acts was the history of the early church, whereas the epistles were letter written by Paul, James, John and ? for Hebrews, none of them is theology. None of them dissect the text, integrate various verses/passages on the topic. Basically, theology is topical. Whereas the Bible itself teaches us, but not topically! Perhaps linear or parables, but not in topics. I have a KJV my mom gave me as a child. I know that it is not arranged into topical systematic theology, any more than any other Bible translation.

It's to bad your have convinced yourself that studying has to be one way, in one translation, and anything else is verboten! You are missing out on so many really deep things about The Father, the Son and the Spirit. Lots to learn about the Trinity, even though that word is not found directly in the Bible. Or eschatology, and so many other interesting things that you will never understand, because you are wrapped up in the nursery, refusing to try anything new or exciting to increase you love and knowledge of God, and how to walk with him.

Theology looks at patterns and draws conclusion about them. If something is only mentioned once, probably best not to make a doctrine out of it. The Cross, for example is mentioned 176 times. It probably needs a doctrine of the atonement, or adoption, or redemption, sacrifice or even reconciliation. These are all important motifs in forming a comprehensive doctrine or theological statement. And always remembering that we still have the possibility of being "wrong!" (Wrong, as in, failing to take something into account, etc. I'm not talking about sin, here, although heresy is sinful.)

So no, you do not pull your theology straight out of the Bible. The Bible must be the starting, middle and ending points. But other theologians have explored various theological doctrines. If you agree the doctrine is good, then you can build on it. Same with word studies. So much is known about individual Greek and Hebrew word studies. And there arevalso archaic and obsolete words from 400 years ago, that need to be changed, so everyone can understand why things were said like that was long ago, and that has changed.

Theology is not just take a verse or passage and saying "that's my theology!" Systematic theology is very interesting to study. I hope one day, John, you will permit yourself to read theology, and find out things that really enrich your life in a Christ!
 
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I'd challenge anyone to hold a bible study using at least 5 different translations . I did this and it was quite alarming as to the differences . Ultimately the kjv was consistent and every time those with the modern translations had to go to the greek when a 'difficult passage arose . I was not a kjv fan until this defining moment . The study is still going on ( 2 years total )
 
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John146 said:
God's word was being preserved through those means but was not completed until the KJV 1611.
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You cannot be taken seriously.
 
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Angela53510 said:
I was in Pentecostal (PAOC in Canada - sister of AoG) and charismatic churches for 15 years before I switched to EV Free, then Alliance, then Baptist. That was to do with moving provinces. I had been taught a lot of things in those churches, which had nothing to do with sign gifts, that I was never comfortable with, like Arminianism and Dispensationalism. But mostly I left because I was lied to by pastoral staff, and I wasn't like what I saw as far as the sign gifts. But mostly I was hungry for God, and did not get fed, the sermons were shallow, always on the same topic- the Holy Spirit moving.

Plus, after 15 years, I had read my Bible 15 times, and I wasn't hearing what I was reading in my Bible in sermons in church.

At the EV Free church, I started hearing the Bible being exegeted properly, same with the Baptist churches. (Not the Alliance Church! I would have gotten more out of a PAOC church) plus, I started taking courses with the PAOC, and started studying the Bible, and theology, learned lots about the denomination. Like anyone not believing in a pre-tribe rapture was not saved and going to hell. Right there in print.

I found a Baptist Church next, which had a great preacher. He had so much wisdom, I decided I wanted to know more about God, and prayed God would lead me, and his answer was a call to seminary!

My old Pentecostal friends gave me Kenyon's book to read, as early as 1984 and I didn't know what to think about it. It didn't match anything I read in my Bible, at all. Then read Hagin and Copeland. A friend became obsessed with Copeland, got a PhD from his ministry school, not sure whether that was accredited. She was one of the people who told me I should be healed, I didn't have enough faith. That was absolutely the worst thing anyone has done to me!! She died after breast cancer metastasized when she refused treatment, because she had claimed healing.

So I do agree Pentecostals are a lot milder. They do believe in healing, but not to the extent that the "Name It & Claim It" group does! I do think Bethel has a lot of underpinnings with WOF, but they add a lot of lies to it, like angels wings and glitter.

Long post just so you know I am fully knowledgeable about the differences between Pentecostal and WOF. I lean Reformed, can't say I am Reformed because of the issue of women in ministry. But that change only happened in the last 8-10 years. Mostly because it agreed with what I read in my Bible!
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Personally, I think much of what goes on in certain 'gifts' churches are a circus and nothing to do with the Holy Spirit

They have discredited God and the gifts of the Spirit!
 
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throughfaith said:
I'd challenge anyone to hold a bible study using at least 5 different translations . I did this and it was quite alarming as to the differences . Ultimately the kjv was consistent and every time those with the modern translations had to go to the greek when a 'difficult passage arose . I was not a kjv fan until this defining moment . The study is still going on ( 2 years total )
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Methinks your explanation is woefully inadequate. Nothing in your story explains what "consistent" means to you, nor why going to the Greek was needed. How about you give actual examples.
 
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presidente said:
I don't consider Bethel to be part of the WOF movement, though there are some similarities in regard to certain specific doctrines.

They don't talk about 'positive confession' as far as I know, and Bethel doesn't have the same three or four sermons or variations thereof as Kenneth Copeland.
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I think Bethel is actually a part of the New Apostolic Reformation. Possibly even worse than WOF.
 
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John146 said:
Your theology influences the words you choose? Wow! My theology is based upon God's words, not the other way around. You got it backwards Angela. If God's word goes against my theology, I better change my theology to match what God has said.

This right here is the danger of scholarship. Period.
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Tell me, John146, what is the difference between "study to show thyself approved" and "scholarship"?

Stupid answers will be mocked mercilessly.
 
presidente said:
I am saying these teachings of scripture do not support your theory that the translation of your choice is some special way God preserves his word.

The 'word of God's does not exactly equal 'the Bible' in scripture. The word of the Lord came to many prophets. Some wrote some of the prophesies down. Others did not. The preached gospel message is also the 'word of God's.

The scriptures were given in Greek, Hebrew and a little Aramaic. Most of us use translations of the scriptures.
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Isaiah 34:16 Seek ye out of the book of the Lord, and read: no one of these shall fail, none shall want her mate: for my mouth it hath commanded, and his spirit it hath gathered them.
 
John146 said:
Isaiah 34:16 Seek ye out of the book of the Lord, and read: no one of these shall fail, none shall want her mate: for my mouth it hath commanded, and his spirit it hath gathered them.
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Those words were originally written in HEBREW, not in 16th-century English.

It is clear that many of your posts don't pass through your brain on the way to your fingers.
 
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throughfaith said:
I'd challenge anyone to hold a bible study using at least 5 different translations . I did this and it was quite alarming as to the differences . Ultimately the kjv was consistent and every time those with the modern translations had to go to the greek when a 'difficult passage arose . I was not a kjv fan until this defining moment . The study is still going on ( 2 years total )
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Yes, I've done this before and confusion abounds...
 
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Dino246 said:
Those words were originally written in HEBREW, not in 16th-century English.

It is clear that many of your posts don't pass through your brain on the way to your fingers.
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Yep, and the KJV verse contains the exact English words.
 
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