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when you refer to the catholics as " them", shouldn't you say "us" ? since you are one.

I feel like I am back in middle school, with notes being passed, " check yes or no" with the red x silliness.

saying that Jesus is God is something no Christ follower should have any issue answering. unless, there is a reason why you do not want to.

so, why do you think it is o.k for you to what your questions answered when you will not answer questions posed to you? how is this thought process fair or honest?

o.k. maybe you have changed your beliefs. so, if a believer chooses to keep the twilight fri. to twilight sat. , that is fine. if a believer chooses to rest on the Lord's day, then that is fine also. if a believer rests on any day ( God's way, one day a week to rest) then that is fine also...

nope. no answer from me unless you guarantee to answer the Jesus question.

I will answer the 2 questions if you ask them to me. then I will expect you to answer the question that m.m.d. asked you .

well, the sprit that led you to think you have to keep the Sabbath to be saved was not the Holy Sprit. the Holy Sprit does not lie. Sabbath for salvation is a lie.

you certainly do not want to answer this question . I am starting to get an idea of the answer the more you refuse to answer.

was Jesus fully God? that question that you never answered.

maybe you should answer the question posed to you before you mention other's ( supposedly ) not answering your questions

ah, so now I see what is behind your lack of being able to accept how fruit grows and matures. you think sanctification is instantaneous . you could not be more wrong. moving on. nothing to see here. just another person so steeped in religious mindset, they can't see the forest for the tress.

yes, crops, you are right. but we are talking about fruit. ( or we were till you moved the target again). i'll say it again- grapes were a staple in Israel. grapes grow on vines that have to run, bloom, then the clusters of grapes began to grow. that is a process. the vine is alive WHILE the...

go find an apple tree that is about is tall as you are. bring it home, plant it. wait 1 full calendar year. see how many apples you will have. * hint- you will not need a bucket.

so, after many days, all of a sudden, now you claim that you are referring to one specific piece of Scripture. ya think you could have mentioned this days ago. or you just moved the goalpost, ( which you did, while accusing me of doing it,)

you too. buy a tomato plant, watch it grow. you will learn something.

I see. I guess you are referring to the parable of the sower that Jesus told. I am speaking of the N.T. theme that believers are to bear fruit. I also see your argument tactics- accusing me of moving the goalpost where, in reality, you just out of the blue started shouting " parable , making...

I have said since day 1 of our back and fourth that it does not matter how long it takes to bear fruit, as long as it comes. you keep obsessing over how long. only judgemnetal people like you care about things like that,

so, explaining how grapes. which were a staple of that area, grow, is " moving the goal post". o.k. this whole back and fourth is about how long ( not that it matters, it only matters to judgers like you), It takes to produce fruit. and actually explaining how fruit grows is bad, amazing.

Israel was an agricultural society. they understood , as I do, if you plant a grape vine this week, you ain't gonna have grapes next week. it does not mean anything is wrong with the seed, it just takes time for the growing vine to break through the ground, spread out runners, bloom, and grow...