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and what is doing right? manifesting the fruits of the Sprit. against these their is no Law. in them is no Sabbath keeping. that is why you judeaizers push the Law instead of the Fruits of the Sprit.

again, regeneration, instant, yes. evidence of that, instantly, no.

no, I did not. in took exception to the fact that you say that the EVIDENCE , OUTWARD, BASED ON BEHAVIOR, IS INSTANT. as I have given you, multiple times, is this- 2 people come to Christ. one instantly stops the sin, the big obvious sin, the other struggles with years , to break free of the...

instant.

just wanted to post it for all to see, I will be responding to no one, just wanted to lay down some facts in 1988, john macarthur defined lordship salvation as " salvation is defined by what it produces, and what it will not fail to produce" so, it seems as if lordship salvation says that a...

notice people, right here, is a clear admission of salvation proved by good works. salvation by grace, through faith, for good works. not proved. not instant. FOR . a open word. proved by. instant. closed words. so, I am moving on. this is all I need to see. just salvation by works ...

regeneration- the act or PROCESS of being regenerated . same thing I say, because that is a part of that definition. a process. and , I do not what oncefallen said. that is why now that I have given you the definition you asked for, I wil now leave, so you can rant about this definition is...

but, here is the key- you do not " say" things by typing out words, you say it by default. so, here is how that looks- if one truly comes to Christ, then they are instantly regenerated . if one is instantly regenerated. then that will instantly show up by a change in behavior. if that is...

here is what it means to you, and judgemental people like you- it means that one's relationship with Christ is manifested by a instant change in behavior, so that you can judge and lord yourself over them, hence is the end result hoped for by lordship salvation, and every other garbage religion.

regeneration is not what your phony lordship junk teaches. saved by grace, proved by works. trash. yes, I personally believe in regeneration, but you push INSTANT regeneration, that is a big fat lie. it looks different for everyone. some folks are instantly regenerated , some it takes...

like here. I have told you multiple times about Leviticus 26, how God the Father speaks of the Covenant made with the fathers of those who came out of Egypt. the Covenant ( singular ) contained the 10 Commands , and the festivals, and the ceremonial laws, and the rest. one Law. one Covenant ...

I recently gave deighann a detailed definition of the greek word for Law, and she said nothing about it, just kept right on saying that the Law is divided, as if the language the N.T. is written in is no big deal... this is willful blindness to prop up a belief system.

it seems that some who post regularly in this thread just believe what they think is fine instead of believing facts that tell us what is true or not.

I don't think the Law is not divided, I just showed it to you here; words have definitions. it is not wise to push a belief over facts, which is what you just did.

this law- nomos. greek word for Law. meaning- injunction, Law of Moses (singular) , the Pentateuch ( the books which contain the Law), or it can mean the Old Testamnet in general. you say you are still learning. learn what I just wrote is true, and change your wrong beliefs about the Law...

the issue is this- you think ( wrongly) that regeneration means one starts instantly bearing fruit ( and we know how the fruit thing went for you, empty apple buckets and all). so, I will leave this thread, and you, with this- when 2 people come to Christ, one can instantly show a massive...

if you want to. I have read the Bible through about 20 times, I know what it says. and what it does not say.

why are you always firing off questions? why don't you just state your beliefs ? and. I do not build theology around individual verses. bad theology to do that. far better to use the N.T. as a whole. and, just so you won't whine, what I posted above was a fancy way of saying " walk in the...

let me answer you like this- this is from a pastor, heard it many years ago ( paraphrase ) " when a person truly comes to Christ, they receive the Holy Sprit. so, they have the Sprit and the flesh. so, then what does the person do? which one do they exercise? if one exercises the Sprit, then...

the disagreement is this- when time frames are put on regeneration, then it makes it legalism. grace salvation is negated when men make up their own rules that the Bible does not say.