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but, here is the thing. what you said here is true. but, if you teach that regeneration is instant, and looks the same for everyone, then that is not true. so, that is why lordship salvation is bad. it will lead to pride ( I did it!!), despair, ( I came to Christ, but still struggle with …...

notice how since the socialism push has gotten stronger the last few years, stories and documentaries about these type things have gone away? but, i.m sure that's just a coincidence.......

fair enough. I will say nothing else on this issue.

you said " it is not a sin to observe the Sabbath, but it is a choice" I never said or implied it was a sin to observe the Sabbath. and, I have no issue with any who choose to observe it. my issue is with those who say we have to.

here is the post. no answer to the " does a Christ follower have to keep the fri. twilight to sat. twilight Sabbath?"

in the post you keep referencing, you did not give a straight answer. you dodged. besides, you should no issue repeating your belief on Sabbath keeping as part of being a Christ follower or not.

like your dodge on the Sabbath question?

POSTS ARE GETTING MIXED UP AND PEOPLE ARE REPLYING TO REPLYS NOT MEANT FOR THEM. sO DAN POSTED ABOUT MARRY BROTHERS WIDOW DEIGH (I) THEN POSTED "I think I am confused. Do you believe in the New Covenant or not? Because if you do, then the only "laws of Moses" that are valid today and to...

my point proves you wrong on your nit-picking belief on testament and covenant being very different words, you can fight against language , I choose to be sane and rational .

diatheke. a covenant, a will, a testament. a set agreement. unlike you judeaizers, who deny everything except the Law, I accept what words mean.

I agree. like you going on about " testament" and " covenant " being largely different, when they are the SAME greek word. some folks will dig so deep to prop up their wrong beliefs , it is just not worth the time to deconstruct it. that happens a lot in this thread too.

so, lets use deductive reasoning here, if you say that it is a sin not to keep the Sabbath, then logically it would follow that it is a REQUIREMENT to keep it, as I have told you that you teach, which you have denied. so. I caught you in a lie, many times , just as I said. try to double-speak...

no, you have not. you gave a wordy dodge, be a man. be a straight shooter. yes, it is required for gentile Christ followers to keep the Sabbath, or no it is not. that is an answer. what say you?

officially , I apologize for mistakenly not being clear on my catching lightbearer in a lie being in another thread. anything on the yes/no Sabbath question??

unlike you, I can. I meant on the Sabbath thread, lightbeaer posted exactly what I said, I just failed to put in he said it in the Sabbath thread. so, I still caught him in a lie. and , how about you? you never gave me a yes or no on Sabbath keeping for gentile Christ followers ,

ahem* on page 12, post #279, someone asked you if it was a sin to unintentionally not keep the Sabbath. you said " yes, willfully or unintentionally . so, there you are. your own words, saying that you think it is a sin to not keep the Sabbath. i'll be waiting on my apology . actually . I...

yes, if one is properly manifesting the Fruits of the Sprit, then one is neither sinning against God or others. against the Fruits are no laws. but, here is the reason the judeaizers reject this- in the Fruits of the Sprit, no Sabbath keeping is mentioned, and they just cannot abide by that.

all you guys do is say to us " you don't understand", you do not read my posts", I never said that", ... for once, why not try making straight forward statements?? like this- gentiles never had the Law, never were commanded to keep the Sabbath, so, if a gentile Christ follower choses to keep...

we do read what you judeaizers say. we see that you talk in circles, and use double- think all the time, I asked you about Sabbath keeping many times, you either gave a dodge, or just refused to answered. then their you were in another thread, vehemently stating that one must keep it. yes...

you did not answer the question . does a gentile, who was and not now under the Law, HAVE to keep the Sabbath. that would be a yes or no.