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Nothing about "wine" of any sort in that verse. You need to read more closely. You also need to consider context; that was a dream, of a pagan no less, not a word from the Lord.

You did not provide any references. You provided a link to a download site, and as I told you, I'm not downloading anything from an unknown site. Either quote the article directly, or find a source that doesn't require a download. While ignoring the texts that permit it, recommend it, and even...

Again you cite Scripture that does not parallel directly with the subject at hand. You have no case.

Agreed; this is a false teaching. While I know that God speaks outside of Scripture, I also know that any such communication will be consistent with Scripture. As someone else mentioned earlier in this thread, God isn't "adding to Scripture" these days, so any "revelation" would be for, at...

There is so much ridiculous black-and-white thinking with this subject. Simply put, consumption of alcohol is not forbidden in Scripture. There is a line for everyone between acceptable and unacceptable levels of consumption (for some it is zero). If you choose to abstain, fine, but stop...

People argue day and night over their KJV. Apply the same logic. My answer, and yours, are opinions, and have no evidentiary value to the discussion.

Which specific Scripture? And who, in the Church, is not "in God's service"?

Welcome to CC... You don't share your age, so we are somewhat limited in the feedback we can offer. If you are 18 or older, you are free to do as you choose, and need not "obey" your parents. You are only required to honour them, which is different. If you are still living in their home, you...

I asked a similar question of someone else recently, and appreciated the answer. Just passing along the grace. :)

There are many reasons for arguments. The root cause, of course, is sin (as in a fallen world, not personal sin). Many people have inadequate instruction in the Word, and are attempting to promote (or defend) views that simply cannot be defended from Scripture. There are legitimate differences...

I'm no fan of NAR errors, but the article you cited is just poorly-written misinformation, fundamentally no different than mainstream media reports on the effectiveness of C-19 vaccines. Without actual citations, the claims of the article are empty. There is no evidence (aside from one quote in...

If you have ever restored an old tool (or watched a video on the subject), you might realize that your assessment is incorrect. Just as a tool can become rusty, worn, damaged, or seized, the Church can get off track, misled, weak, and ignorant. It hasn't become "unformed" or "abolished" but can...

Um... every encounter with God, even reading His word, is a supernatural experience. ;) The problem is that some seek certain kinds of experiences, and some are willing to receive their money to "provide" those experiences.

Dodge.

There can be alcohol present while the grapes are still on the vine. You are welcome to abstain, but you cannot make a biblical case to impose total abstinence on anyone else. It simply isn't possible.

No, I was not speaking of you.

"Obtuse"? This conversation is over.

We do, sadly, have a current contributor who basically does exactly that.

Ah... so when you do it, it's "a bit of sarcasm", but when anyone else does it, it's vitriol? Bull c**p. That's utter hypocrisy.

Yes, alcohol (eventually) affects judgment; no argument there. You still have not defined "tipsy". Do you plan to do so, or shall I conclude that you are just here to promote your pro-abstinence position?