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Welcome to CC... The world of Genesis 1 was indeed "pre-fallen" but the world we live in, post-Genesis 3, is a fallen world. The devil doesn't need to delude us into believing that.

Repeating yourself does not make your argument valid.

If the earth were "level", pilots would not have to account for changes in elevation. Pilots do account for curvature when flying long distances; they navigate over great-circle routes.

Yes, reflections can be as bright as stars. You are overlooking two facts: that light diminishes quickly in intensity over distance, and that it takes a very small amount of light to be visible against a dark background. A very distant light source (star) only delivers a small amount of light to...

So seeing the sun just above the horizon doesn't convince you that you can see just as far 'laterally' as 'vertically'? Okay. Your concept of 'paying close attention' is different from mine. That's a non-answer. I ask for scientific studies, you respond with snark. C'mon Gary, you're better...

Except he's not funny either. Somewhat pathetic, perhaps.

Popcorn thread, replete with speculation and large leaps to unwarranted conclusions.

I have made no claims about heliocentricity, that I recall.

If you believed this, you would reject flat-earth theory.

Understood, but unless you understand the history of manuscript evidence, you are simply employing a fallacy. The greater number of manuscripts does not indicate their validity at all.

Ah... scribal error. It's so convenient to use in your favour, but irrelevant when it's used in defense of other translations. A person with integrity doesn't use arguments this way.

Have you taken even a single Physics class? Your comments lead me to doubt it. The theory to which I hold can't be demonstrated on a beach-ball-sized model, because the mass of Earth is so much greater that its gravity overcomes the small amount of gravity exerted by the ball. That you don't...

More asinine idiocy from you... as expected.

Why should anyone respond to your question when your typical response to others' questions is a series of senseless memes? You have demonstrated that you have no interest in respectful discussion.

No. I find it interesting how closed-minded these flerfers are.

Reread my previous post. By your standard, you should also be calling the KJV "spurious" because it shows two different ages at which Ahaziah took the throne: 22 years old in 2 Kings 8:26 and 42 years old in 2 Chronicles 22:2.

Where is the objective evidence for your claim? Where are the scientific studies supporting it?

You are trying to change the subject. God did not give to His people technological know-how centuries or millennia in advance of "normal discovery". This is not about wisdom but about knowledge. They are related but different.

Save your efforts. Racerunner is an admitted troll.

Differences between the two streams of text DO NOT tell us that the one behind most modern translations is "spurious". That is fallacious reasoning. The argument can be made in reverse (with equal validity), such that the traditional text is spurious because of the differences.