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  1. Ahwatukee

    What is your BEST PROOF for a pre-trib Rapture?

    Wrong! Why do you guys continue to pigeonhole words? With this interpretation of the gathering of the church and the Lord's return to the earth to end the age, as being the same event, you put the church through the day of the Lord, the wrath of God. The fact is that, clouds and a trumpet...
  2. Ahwatukee

    What is your BEST PROOF for a pre-trib Rapture?

    You shouldn't have to pay to message anyone. Let me see if I can message you.
  3. Ahwatukee

    What is your BEST PROOF for a pre-trib Rapture?

    Agreed! The great tribulation saints are not appointed to Hell, but will be exposed to the plagues of wrath, simply because they will be on the earth, which is why Jesus continually warns believers to be watching and ready so that this day does not close on us like a trap. Paul goes on to say...
  4. Ahwatukee

    What is your BEST PROOF for a pre-trib Rapture?

    First, I don't read anything into scripture, but include all scriptures regarding all Biblical subjects. I'm not concerned with supporting my own beliefs, but I am zealous for the truth and accuracy of God's word. Regarding "you will follow later" you only have two choices of what Jesus was...
  5. Ahwatukee

    What is your BEST PROOF for a pre-trib Rapture?

    Good day Bluto, You are correct in that, Noah was not removed from the earth and that because if he had and all on the ark had been, there would be no one to repopulate the earth. Likewise, Lot was allowed to escape to a small town out of the area and then God destroyed Sodom, Gomorrah and the...
  6. Ahwatukee

    What is your BEST PROOF for a pre-trib Rapture?

    Good day Wall, I would suggest that you look very closely at John 14:1-3, which doesn't really need close observation, because its meaning is very clear. Jesus starts off with "In My Father's house are many rooms. The first thing that we can deduce from this, is that "the Father's house" can...
  7. Ahwatukee

    What is your BEST PROOF for a pre-trib Rapture?

    First of all, let's please drop the "Jesus coming back two times" claim. I have repeatedly told people that the events of the gathering of the church vs. the Lord's return to the earth, as being separate events. When the Lord descends from heaven to gather the church, He is not returning to the...
  8. Ahwatukee

    What is your BEST PROOF for a pre-trib Rapture?

    Good day TooFast, "All this is evidence that God’s judgment is right, and as a result you will be counted worthy of the kingdom of God, for which you are suffering. 6God is just: He will pay back trouble to those who trouble you 7and give relief to you who are troubled, and to us as well. This...
  9. Ahwatukee

    WHEN IS THE RAPTURE IN RELATIONSHIP TO THE GT?

    The tribulations mentioned above, is referring to the trials and tribulations that Jesus said all believers would experience, which come at the hands of mankind and the powers of darkness. It is not speaking about God's coming wrath. This is what you are not recognizing and why you are in error...
  10. Ahwatukee

    What is your BEST PROOF for a pre-trib Rapture?

    (Part II) Well for one thing, it is the bride, which is another moniker representing the church, who is present at the wedding of the Lamb, where at which time she will be receiving her fine linen, white and clean. Then in verse 14 of the same chapter, we see the bride wearing her fine linen...
  11. Ahwatukee

    What is your BEST PROOF for a pre-trib Rapture?

    Tough times? I would suggest that you go back and do an in depth study on the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments. And that time of God's wrath is about bad stuff happening, the worst the world will have ever seen. Here is the scripture: "But since we belong to the day, let us be sober...
  12. Ahwatukee

    What is your BEST PROOF for a pre-trib Rapture?

    Good day president, The problem with what you are suggesting is that, God was taking Israel to the land that He had promised Abraham. Likewise, Noah had to be preserved in order to repopulate the earth, else it would be empty. Also, the whole earth was not under God's wrath, just Egypt. When...
  13. Ahwatukee

    What is your BEST PROOF for a pre-trib Rapture?

    Ha! If you're post you're toast? Never heard that one before, but true. Being caught in that time period is not an honorable thing as some believe and teach. Anyone on earth during that time, will be here because they will have not believed and been ready when Jesus came to call up the church...
  14. Ahwatukee

    What is your BEST PROOF for a pre-trib Rapture?

    That is because we are currently not experiencing the tribulations resulting from God's wrath via the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments. Once the church has been caught up, then those judgments will take place, one after another like birth pains, beginning with the opening of the first seal...
  15. Ahwatukee

    WHEN IS THE RAPTURE IN RELATIONSHIP TO THE GT?

    "if you confess with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved." (Romans 10:9) "God saved you by his grace when you believed. And you can’t take credit for this; it is a gift from God. Salvation is not a reward for the good...
  16. Ahwatukee

    What is your BEST PROOF for a pre-trib Rapture?

    Oh, when you said "put His body through wrath" I thought you were speaking about the body of Christ, not His own physical body. That Jesus will not go through God's wrath again is a no brainer. The reason I assumed this is because of the controversy about the church/body going through the wrath...
  17. Ahwatukee

    What is your BEST PROOF for a pre-trib Rapture?

    Hello Hevosmies, First I would correct the first one to read: -Jesus wont put His body through wrath ever!. You used the word "AGAIN" which would infer that He had previously put His body through His wrath. When did He do that? The answer to that is "Never!" It is important to understand...