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  1. Ahwatukee

    Are All Angels the Same?

    Yes, God is powerful enough to sustain His word. But as I said, Enoch was indeed apart of the scriptures up to the third century which is supported by Jude quoting Enoch. It may be that God used those men to retrieve the Ethiopic Enoch version, to restore it to the Holy cannon. To me it reads...
  2. Ahwatukee

    Are All Angels the Same?

    Ethiopic Enoch was inspired by God and was in fact apart of the Bible up to the third century. Jude also recognized Enoch as scripture, quoting him in Jude 14: "Enoch, the seventh from Adam, also prophesied about them: “Behold, the Lord is coming with myriads of His saints to execute judgment...
  3. Ahwatukee

    Are All Angels the Same?

    Greetings Blik, Just fyi, Satan was called Lucifer before his rebellion. Lucifer is just another moniker of Satan before his fall. Lucifer means “morning star,” “son of the dawn,” “Day Star / Daystar,” or “shining star. To be clear, both the names Lucifer and Satan is referring to the same...
  4. Ahwatukee

    If we are going to keep the SABBATH the 7th day, in HEAVEN, Why are not people keeping it now ???

    "One person esteems one day as better than another, while another esteems all days alike. Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind." "Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day. These...
  5. Ahwatukee

    The sign of Jonas, three days and three nights

    Regarding the three days, it is also important to understand that, if something happened before sunset, it was still counted as happening on that day. For example, scripture states that Jesus died around the ninth hour which was from 12pm to 3pm. Since He died before sunset, that would be...
  6. Ahwatukee

    The sign of Jonas, three days and three nights

    watcher, that is just spiritualizing the plain meaning of the scripture. I always wonder why so many people come with these off-the-wall interpretations of scripture. The heart of the earth does not = the Jesus being handed over to the sinners. The thief who was crucified next to Jesus said...
  7. Ahwatukee

    Who is the ones that is taken ? And who is the ones that are left ?

    The gathering of the church is not related to the "one taken and one left" parable. When the resurrection takes place and the living are changed and caught up, we do not know what percentage of the world that will be, just that those who are in Christ, watching and ready, will be caught up. In...
  8. Ahwatukee

    Who is the ones that is taken ? And who is the ones that are left ?

    Well, if the angels are being sent out to gather the weeds throughout the entire world, it is not a great leap to apply them to being taken, as they are not just going to sit there with them. The angels are being sent out to gather the weeds for a reason, which we can deduce from reading the...
  9. Ahwatukee

    Who is the ones that is taken ? And who is the ones that are left ?

    Actually, the weeds/wicked are collected and taken first: "So the servants asked him, ‘Do you want us to go and pull them up?’ ‘No,’ he said, ‘if you pull the weeds now, you might uproot the wheat with them. Let both grow together until the harvest. At that time I will tell the harvesters...
  10. Ahwatukee

    Hey I’m Liss

    Greetings and Welcome, Liss!
  11. Ahwatukee

    Who is the ones that is taken ? And who is the ones that are left ?

    Yes. Rev.19:11-21 is a detailed account of the Lord's physical and visual return to the earth to end the age and establish His millennial kingdom. Prior to that at the pouring out of the 6th bowl, those three demonic beings that come out of the mouth of the dragon, the beast and the false...
  12. Ahwatukee

    Who is the ones that is taken ? And who is the ones that are left ?

    Yes, Matt.24 does mention the carcasses. But my point in using Luke's version was the fact that after Jesus mentions the one taken, the disciples ask "where, Lord." In other words, where are they going to be taken. The one's taken are in-part those who are going to be gathered and taken by the...
  13. Ahwatukee

    Who is the ones that is taken ? And who is the ones that are left ?

    Good day absolutely! Just fyi, every person who is not a believer in Christ and who makes it alive through the entire tribulation period, will be gathered by the angels (one taken) and will be killed by the double-edged sword that proceeds from the Lord's mouth, which is symbolically...
  14. Ahwatukee

    Who is the ones that is taken ? And who is the ones that are left ?

    Good day absolutely! Just fyi, every person who is not a believer in Christ and who makes it alive through the entire tribulation period, will be gathered by the angels (one taken) and will be killed by the double-edged sword that proceeds from the Lord's mouth, which is symbolically...
  15. Ahwatukee

    1 THESSALONIANS 4:13-18, WHY do people say that JESUS IS going to bring the dead in CHRIST when HE comes back here, In 1 Thess 4:13-18

    Your error is not recognizing that there is a difference between the body and the spirit. You lump them all together. Sleeping in the dust of the earth is referring to the body, not the soul/spirit. As I have already told you, both the bodies of the rich man and Lazarus died, yet their spirits...
  16. Ahwatukee

    1 THESSALONIANS 4:13-18, WHY do people say that JESUS IS going to bring the dead in CHRIST when HE comes back here, In 1 Thess 4:13-18

    * The Lord appears in the air where he calls up the church, dead and living and takes them back to the Father's house * The antichrist is revealed by making his seven year agreement with Israel * The wrath of God takes place during that entire seven years via the seals, trumpets and bowl...
  17. Ahwatukee

    1 THESSALONIANS 4:13-18, WHY do people say that JESUS IS going to bring the dead in CHRIST when HE comes back here, In 1 Thess 4:13-18

    Ecc 9:5 does not say what you think it does. How is it that you and others love to grab ahold that one vague verse and then ignore all of the other scriptures that demonstrate the conscious awareness of the spirit after the death of the body? Saul used the medium of Endor to call up Samuel who...
  18. Ahwatukee

    1 THESSALONIANS 4:13-18, WHY do people say that JESUS IS going to bring the dead in CHRIST when HE comes back here, In 1 Thess 4:13-18

    John 14:1-3 is the promise and 1 Thess.4:13-18 is the detailed account of when the Lord comes to gather His church. The on-going problem with your claim that the gathering of the church takes place when the Lord returns to the earth is that, prior to that, God's wrath via the seals, trumpets...
  19. Ahwatukee

    1 THESSALONIANS 4:13-18, WHY do people say that JESUS IS going to bring the dead in CHRIST when HE comes back here, In 1 Thess 4:13-18

    "For we believe that Jesus died and rose again, and so we believe that God will bring with Jesus those who have fallen asleep in him. The spirits of those who have died in Christ are in heaven in the presence of the Lord. When the time comes for the resurrection, the Lord will bring with Him...
  20. Ahwatukee

    Revelation 13.13

    The word of God says that the beast and the false prophet will be two individuals: "But the beast was captured along with the false prophet, who on his behalf had performed signs deceiving those who had the mark of the beast and worshiped his image. Both the beast and the false prophet were...