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Yes, the Lord died for those who were and are the children of God. And with God being love, the Lord died for the children of love. They who believe in love, in loving their neighbor, are whom the Lord died for. These who believe in love (God) and loving their neighbor, are they whom the Lord...

Hello Topaz1988, I understand how you feel, as I also have been lonely at times. There are many others, including myself who came to this forum so that we could communicate with others. You too should find some friends here as there are many different topics that are discussed. God bless you...

I think love is a correct interpretation and not charity for what Paul was stating in 1 Corinthians 13:13. Anyone can perform an act of charity for motives other than from a sincere desire in loving their neighbor. As such, would doing a charitable act for a base motive, supersede faith enough...

Yes, the finishing price was the Lord on the cross for they who would want to become children of God. What wanting to become children of God means to me is they who want to overcome their carnal natures and be spiritual as God is Spirit/ual. They who decide they do not want to become Spiritual...

With the OT, I can cross check and corroborate data in the NT. The Lord (the Word) does say that He is in the volume of the book (Hebrews 10:7). Hebrews 10:7 Then said I, Lo, I come (in the volume of the book it is written of me,) to do thy will, O God.

I do study the Word. At first the newly faithful in Christ Jews were being persecuted by their unbelieving brethren, that is until the unbelieving decided to exile the faithful from Jerusalem (Acts 8:1). Persecution of the faithful after this time (circa 40 AD), would come from gentile...

Your claiming Romans 8 as Paul's way to describe the situation between the Jews in Judea and Christians, takes God out of the picture and makes this a contemporary story only applicable to Paul's time. I on the other hand believe Romans 8 to be Gods Word, and applicable to all generations until...

If you are born again as you claim, you then do not sin according to 1 John 3:9. You are a new creature (2 Corinthians 5:17). I, however, recognize that I have yet to cease from all sin, and as such earnestly await adoption into Gods family as I continue to overcome my carnal instincts. 1 John...

As you have claimed there being no process in becoming adopted by God, that it is all accomplished, I then saw this as your having an OSAS perspective. If, however, you do believe in the process of overcoming one's natural inclinations in order to come to God, then I am in accord, as many...

If we are saved by Christ, what is it we are saved from? Are we not saved from carrying out our carnal inclinations which lead to death, and to which we were previously enslaved? If, however, one chooses not to leave their carnal inclinations, then the Lord is of no salvation benefit to them. It...

John 1:12 is future tense and conditional, not once saved always saved.

I have taken the liberty of copying your previous post in highlight. Dino: Verses 14-17 declare clearly that we are "already" God's children. Verses 18-25 are about the resurrection, the hope we hold that this life is not all there is. So the adoption that Paul refers to in verse 23 is not...

We all know what Christ did on the cross. Likewise, we all know that the Lord will come back to gather they that are His. These basic tenets, however, do nothing in eliminating the required overcoming of our fleshly desires in order to be among the spiritually inclined and not the fleshly...

You would have to elaborate a little further; your post is somewhat vague.

I used to believe the way you and many others do, until I realized the number of contradicting scriptures indicating otherwise. Rather than go into what has been repeated countless times about the subject; the one point I will make is that God is not an author of confusion (1 Corinthians 14:33)...

The future is absolute, which according to Romans 8:13, they who live for their flesh shall die (future expectation), while they who continue overcoming their carnal nature shall have the expectation of adoption into Gods household. Romans 8:23. Romans 8:13 For if ye live after the flesh, ye...

John 1:12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God. I see this "...to become the sons of God..." representing a future...

In post #2, you claim there is no process to becoming a son of God, and that we are currently fully children of God; to which I replied with Romans 8:23 with our awaiting adoption into Gods family. I thought the verse was self explanatory contradicting your perspective. I have copied pasted...

I agree about our adoption not complete, as the creature earnestly awaiting the manifestation of Gods children indicates a future perspective. Romans 8:19 For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God.

I see this not as Paul's own imaginings, but rather the Lord inspiring Paul. As such, is the Lord using Roman law to show His point about a forthcoming adoption, while before being adopted being called Gods children? It does not make sense to me. The only way I see these verses making sense is...