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I never believed that Jesus was the one sitting on the cloud, as he is referred to as 'another angel." And if the 144,000 are the first fruits to God out of Israel who will have been previously caught up, then how can this first harvest also be first fruits and which are not mentioned as being...

That the bowl judgments are said to be last, completing God's wrath, means that there would have be other plagues of wrath that come before them, which are the seals and the trumpets. If I say "I was last in line to buy my concert tickets" it would mean that there were other people ahead of me...

Yes, there are verses, but people reject them or don't understand them. The main principal as to why the church must be gathered prior to the first seal being opened, which initiates God's wrath, is because Jesus already took upon himself the wrath that every believer deserves, satisfying it...

The error that you and others continue to make, is not discerning between the trials and tribulation that Jesus said believers would have because of our faith in Him, which comes at the hands of men and the powers of darkness vs. God's coming wrath, which will be unprecedented wrath coming...

Our sealing is only permanent if one is continuing in faith. You yourself post the scripture above: "For by grace you have been saved [through faith]" We are not just sealed so that even if a believer turns back to living according to the sinful nature that they are still sealed. If you die in...

You are not understanding what I am saying. The 144,000 are mentioned, then in between that is the three angels flying overhead, each proclaiming something different. Then the information regarding the two harvests. If we the proper rules of grammar, then the first harvest is not referring to...

Yeah, I agree about the harvest of the grapes, as it is made obvious that this second harvest is referring to living people being thrown into the winepress of the wrath of God Almighty. But it is the first harvest that is not clear. We have the harvest/gathering of the church prior to God's...

And who in their right mind or spirit would make a decision like that, knowing that the only other option is to be eternal separated from God in the lake of fire? Um .... what you have said is not the truth. Though we are chosen for salvation, faith is still required, for without faith it is...

Well, the first harvest is neutral, i.e. it doesn't infer whether it is good or bad. Where as the harvest of the grapes is obvious. That said, you could very well be right though. If the grape harvest represents all of the wicked on the earth, then what would the first harvest represent, since...

The Church period ends at the event when the dead in Christ are resurrected and the living in Christ are changed and caught up. Those left on the earth after that will be the nation of Israel, the 144,000 who come out of Israel, the great tribulation saints and the wicked. The law brings wrath...

That would be a NO! Because even though God chose us for salvation, our part is still faith. Faith is required from first to last. God does not force anyone into heaven. And, why would any true believer change his mind and want to go to Hell?

Yes, that is correct. Here is the scripture: Then I looked and saw the Lamb standing on Mount Zion, and with Him 144,000 who had His name and His Father’s name written on their foreheads. And I heard a sound from heaven like the roar of many waters and the loud rumbling of thunder. And the...

Why in the world would believers be promised God's wrath, when after they believed, they were credited with the righteousness of Christ and reconciled to God? By your claim it shows that you don't understand the nature of God, nor do you understand our reconciliation. That wrath above is not...

Hi John! There are many scriptures that demonstrate God's election of those whom He savedprior the beginning of the world. Here are just a couple: "And all who dwell on the earth will worship the beast—all whose names have not been written from the foundation of the world in the Book of Life...

Hello again, Absolutely! Regarding this, I just wanted to present some information: In Revelation 14:1-4, First we have the mention of the 144,000 from the twelve tribes of Israel who were sealed in Chapter 7:1-8. Now you claim that the harvest is regarding this group. However, in between the...

Yeah, but the problem is, that there is nothing in the context that connects that first harvest with any group. It comes across as neutral, i.e. neither a good or bad harvest. It is just an assumption to apply that harvest to the Jews. I'm not saying that it couldn't be correct, because that is...

Greetings and Welcome, SunnyOz! No worries, mate! ;) We'll see you out in the Forum.

Totally agree with you here, Runningman! Anyone proclaiming exact dates should always be a red flag and the OP has tons of them. By his claim of the Lord's return to the earth to end the age in 2026, it would mean that we would already have to be two years into God's wrath. And since the...

I won't find out that I'm wrong. I've been following end-time events for over 45 years and have been right so far. It's typical for people to say 'you're wrong' but then they never address the scriptures provided.

Are you referring to Trump not signing the wavier and thereby recognizing Jerusalem as the capital of Jerusalem? We are not in the final stretch yet. The church must first be removed and then the final stretch will begin with the revealing of the antichrist as represented by the first seal...