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  1. Ahwatukee

    Less well-known Rapture verses. The case for the Rapture is compelling.

    The first resurrection does not mean 'only resurrection.' It is first in relation to the resurrection which takes place at the end of the thousand years. The first resurrection will take place in phases or stages: * Jesus the first fruits - Already took place * The Church at His appearing - Is...
  2. Ahwatukee

    Less well-known Rapture verses. The case for the Rapture is compelling.

    wow lol I guess I’m one of those common knee jerk reaction folks who believes that God has always been telling the story about Jesus being born living teaching dying and being raised from the dead and then being taken up to Gods throne to rule his eternal Kingdom I gotta stick to What makes...
  3. Ahwatukee

    Less well-known Rapture verses. The case for the Rapture is compelling.

    Whether a new or old believer, describing the definition of where the word 'rapture' came from is not hard to understand. Your error is the same false apologetic that has been going around for some time. All the trials and tribulations that the apostles and first century church went though...
  4. Ahwatukee

    Less well-known Rapture verses. The case for the Rapture is compelling.

    No! The interpretation that Jesus is the Male Child, is a common knee-jerk reaction. Rev.12:1-6 is all symbolism: * Not a real woman * Not really pregnant * Doesn't give literal birth * Not a real Male Child * Not a real dragon * Not literal stars Each of the above symbols represents a...
  5. Ahwatukee

    Less well-known Rapture verses. The case for the Rapture is compelling.

    Greetings Pilgrimshope! The word 'Rapture' is not found in scripture, but is the Latin equivalent of the Greek word 'harpazo' found in I Thessalonian 4:17 which is defined as 'to seize, catch up, snatch away, properly, seize by force; snatch up, suddenly and decisively.' Paul used it when he...
  6. Ahwatukee

    What do you make of the fact that Hell is thrown into the Lake of Fire along with Death?

    That is a good and fair question. At the opening of the 4th seal, death and hades are given authority over a fourth of the earth to kill by sword, by famine, by plague, and by the beasts of the earth. Then in Revelation 20:14, both death and Hades are thrown into the lake of fire. The lake...
  7. Ahwatukee

    can people in hell repent and turn to God

    Once one dies in their sins, the offer of salvation is null and void. Salvation is a faith issue. Who in their right mind would not except the offer of salvation after they find out the truth and have gone down into Hades to begin their punishment? Jesus gave us the answer to the question of...
  8. Ahwatukee

    Calvinists are preaching a false message .

    No, angels cannot be saved by the shed blood of Christ, nor is it offered to them. The Lord left heaven and was born as a human being so that He could be kinned to us in order to represent us. We were dead in our sins, but the Lord lived a perfect life in the flesh without sinning, met the...
  9. Ahwatukee

    Revelation 6 -- There is nothing hidden that shall not be revealed

    All you are doing above, is misapplying scripture to support your claim. First of all you said "There is no scripture showing that the antichrist does not go out to conquer" so I provided the scripture that shows exactly that. But instead of addressing that, you make another claim referring to...
  10. Ahwatukee

    Less well-known Rapture verses. The case for the Rapture is compelling.

    It is always a red flag when anyone begins with "There are no scriptures" to support any given issue. Below is the scripture which shows that the wicked are killed when the Lord returns to the earth to end the age: "And from His mouth proceeds a sharp sword with which to strike down the...
  11. Ahwatukee

    Revelation 6 -- There is nothing hidden that shall not be revealed

    The antichrist/beast is going to be given power over the great tribulation saints to make war and to conquer them, as revealed below: "Then the beast was permitted to wage war against the saints and to conquer them, and he was given authority over every tribe and people and tongue and nation...
  12. Ahwatukee

    Less well-known Rapture verses. The case for the Rapture is compelling.

    Scripture also states that Jesus ascended to the right hand of the Father. So, do you believe that means that Jesus is restricted to sitting at the right hand of the Father, unable to go anywhere else? Scripture also states that "The one who overcomes I will make a pillar in the temple of My...
  13. Ahwatukee

    Less well-known Rapture verses. The case for the Rapture is compelling.

    It is a false apologetic in order to circumvent the truth. When Jesus comes down to the atmosphere, He will 'bring with Him' the spirits of all who have died in Him, where they will be reunited with their immortal and glorified resurrected bodies. Those who are still alive cannot be...
  14. Ahwatukee

    Less well-known Rapture verses. The case for the Rapture is compelling.

    I'm not ignoring what you presented. I just don't believe that it means that Christ is restricted so that He can't perform anything else. By your claim, you are attempting to tie His hands. Acts 3:21 is not stating that Jesus is restricted to heaven so that He can't do anything else, which you...
  15. Ahwatukee

    Less well-known Rapture verses. The case for the Rapture is compelling.

    ================================================================== Below is just a few places in the first chapter, where the Lord addresses Ezekiel as 'Son of man": “Son of man,” He said to me, “stand up on your feet and I will speak to you.” 2And as He spoke to me, the Spirit entered me and...
  16. Ahwatukee

    Less well-known Rapture verses. The case for the Rapture is compelling.

    Yes, I agree! I never believe that Jesus was the one on the cloud, but another angel.
  17. Ahwatukee

    Less well-known Rapture verses. The case for the Rapture is compelling.

    That is just another apologetic. When Jesus comes to get the church it will be a group event envolving the entire church, which is what the true believer is anticipating and watching for, Just as the Lord told us. When we die, Jesus does not come to get us, but our spirits depart from our...
  18. Ahwatukee

    Less well-known Rapture verses. The case for the Rapture is compelling.

    Then you are just not reading and understanding the scripture. The Lord said that in His Father's house there are many rooms and that He was going there to prepare places for us and that He would come back again to get us and take us to those places in the Father's house. The only way that you...
  19. Ahwatukee

    Less well-known Rapture verses. The case for the Rapture is compelling.

    Yes, if you will go and look at post #429 or John 14:1-3, it says exactly that Jesus is going to gather the church and take them back to the Father's house. It's very straight forward in its meaning. You must have missed that one during your 20 years ;)
  20. Ahwatukee

    Less well-known Rapture verses. The case for the Rapture is compelling.

    Excuse me! I beg to differ, as there is scripture that teaches Jesus appearing to gather His church and then taking them back to heaven. "Do not let your hearts be troubled. You believe in God; believe in Me as well. In My Father’s house are many rooms. If it were not so, would I have told you...