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No, sorry, Jesus is not the last trumpet. If it says a trumpet, then it is a trumpet. Did you miss the word AS? It is a simile. Jesus' voice may have sounded like a trumpet to John, but it was a voice, NOT a trumpet.

Did you not notice that just three verses after Paul's classic rapture verse (4:17) He mentions, concerning times, "The Day of the Lord?" Why would Paul do that? It is because there will be no time between church age and the start of the DAY. One moment it will be church age, the the sudden...

Did you not notice that just three verses after Paul's classic rapture verse (4:17) He mentions concering times, The Day of the Lord? Why would Paul do that? It is because there will be no time between church age and the start of the DAY. One moment it will be church age, the the sudden...

You jumpted the gun again! You are talking about one worthy to take the book and open the seals, then JUMPED to His ascension! WHOA BACK! Let's get Him qualified to take the book before He ascends and takes the book. 3 And no man in heaven, nor in earth, neither under the earth, was able to...

You seem to have a huge imagination - but you imagine wrong. You say I blaspheme. You are in error that like in every argument you have put forth. You want Jesus to have redeemed men to God BEFORE He died on the cross. Just common sense should tell you that is error. Its like saying Jesus...

You can SAY there wasn't a second search, but that does not make it truth. I personally think this Angel had been searching for centuries: as soon as a search failed, He started over. Just my opinion. I think that is what John is showing us, another search started while John wept much. Your...

God "calling those things that be not as though they were." He became the redeemer through shedding His blood, His obedience to death, and His resurrection. I think you know this.

So you imagine while Jesus was on the earth walking as a man, He was not subject to time? You probably think He never slept! The truth is, around 32 years OF TIME passed while the second person of the Godhood was on earth as a man. Three days and three nights of prophesied time passed. Jesus...

posthuman: UNDERSTAND HIM!!!

So a brother in Christ tells you Jesus spoke to Him, and even writes down the words spoken, and you can't believe it. Brother, that is on you, not on me. Just as Jesus said, until you can answer His questions correctly, you are never going to understand this part of John's vision. Again, that...

Finally! A breath of fresh air! I have never used the term "reversed." A vision can be of the past, present or future, all all of them mixed. All I am saying is, God started this vision while Jesus was on the earth or under the earth. He wanted to show John the book, but He wanted to show it...

Why do you just make stuff up? I think you just want to argue. No one has EVER SAID that God was deficient! How silly is that? You have missed the truth by a mile. GOD was WORD in the beginning, But at some time, the WORD became FLESH. Was He deficient before He because flesh? Was He lacking...

Let's look: The four winds WHERE? "from one end of heaven to the other. " And you wish to claim this as Paul's rapture that gathers from earth. Or you can go to Luke and read from both heaven and earth. It still does not fit: Paul's gathering gathers from EARTH. it seems VERY unlikely God...

"Elders" are not all. They are a very small part of all. Whoever said they were? Does this mean anything to the argument? It says He prevailed to become the redeemer. His blood was shed for all. I believe John. He rose from the dead, prevailing over death. We all agree that there were 7...

It only means in one moment He KNEW NO sin, and then BECAME sin after time. Time passed and things changed. He was completing what was required to become the Redeemer.

Did I miss something? You are NOT prewrath? It is only prewrath that says "post trib - prewrath." If you are not prewrath, I will repent.

Pretribbers have certainly looked at the context: It is hard to miss, "after the trib" of those days... Also a gathering from heaven, not from earth. On the other hand, Paul's rapture comes just before wrath and John is clear that wrath begins at the 6th seal. Then the raptured church is seen...

Ah! The light bulb goes off: So you are of the prewrath camp! You perhaps did not know that prewrath is the worst of all rapture theories - requiring a complete rewrite of Revelation? It started because Rosenthal and Van Kampen did not understand that the signs after the trib could not in any...

You STILL don't understand, Jesus is not diminished because He has not completed His assigned tasks. Where do you come up with this stuff? It is ONLY that He still has work to do. Was He the redeemer BEFORE He shed blood? NO! Was He the redeemer as a baby? NO! Remember, "He BECAME sin who...

His mind is like a steel trap: he reads of a trumpet in one verse, and a trumpet in other, and SLAM! His mind slams shut: they HAVE to be speaking of the same trumpet! Without a doubt he has done this with the sun and moon: "after the trib of those days, " and at the 6th seal.