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So you don't believe John in Revelation. We already surmised that. Evidently you know more that John. Go figure.

It's obvious: he just does not know.

Well proven by you means no pretribber would believe it. I have a novel idea: why not just believe John? He tells us the DAY of His wrath starts at the 6th seal. "It is well proven" that this Start of the DAY comes a short time before the Start of the WEEK. Please, show us any wrath of our...

Wow! You did a good job here, which I find remarkable since you started off in error. What you should have said! ;-) The beginning of Birth pains is tied to "the end is not yet" and is speaking of Jewish age from 95 AD to the present. Jesus goes from "the end is not yet" to mentioning the...

I have a choice: I can believe the Head of the Church, Jesus Christ, since HE TAUGHT ME. Or I can believe you. Sorry, but I am going with HIM. Why is simple English so difficult for you? Look: Come up hither, and I will shew thee things which must be hereafter. WE covered english sentences...

How can you possibly get that from the words that Jesus spoke? I looked at 61 English translations and NOT ONE included the word "certain." Am I to believe you or believe the 61? They all said no man or no one. Why? Because that fits the context. Of course that greek word CAN men a certain...

You certainly use a lot of words to say something. But good post.

That is silly: "firstfruits" in the OT was always a sampling of the first produce to get ripe. That is why this word includes "first..." Perhaps you can point to some other resurrection into a glorified body before Jesus?

My friend, you are imposing your preconceptions on a simple verse! This same word, Tic or whatever it is in Greek, the Nominative Singular Masculine form, was used 221 times in 209 different verses. Let's look a some: Mat 11:27 - All things are delivered unto me of my Father: and no man...

Agreed: it is the Kingdom of heaven (on earth). Of course, the 144,000 are the firstfruits of Israel. Perhaps the rapture of the church is the main harvest of the Gentiles.

You put a lot of faith in that word "then." Perhaps from other scriptures we could find "stuff" between "His coming" for the saints, pretrib, and "then comes the end." But then, define "end." Perhaps the "end" is the Day of the Lord or the 70th week that winds up "the end." If we define the...

We were talking about Rev. 20, which will be after all the resurrections of the righteous. Will there be any real distinction between NT saints and OT saints then? We will all have resurrection bodies then. I cannot think of any scriptures that would show the church distinct from OT saints...

And THAT (5:9) was the verse we were discussing. Question: does this mean Jesus was the walking dead? Does it mean Jesus was slain before He was born? Or is this verse only telling us that the Godhead had His sacrifice all planned out before earth was created? Thanks for your work! It seems...

In the OT we find a little about Daniel's 70th week, and what comes after, but in Revelation we have 9 chapter just on the 70th week. Now, using common sense, which should we go to first, to establish doctrine on the 70th week. Of course to the largest discourse on the subject, Revelation. We...

We are not talking about the dead, we are talking about those alive. ALL the dead in Christ will be raised. I truly hope all who are alive and in Christ will rise too. But I see problems: Heb. 9:28 So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he...

No one is arguing this point: there will be ONLY TWO resurrection titles: one for the just and one for the damned. One is titled "the Chief Resurrection" or the most honorable resurrection. The other, for lack of anything else, is the "second death" resurrection. You wish to force all...

You seem to forget that we are all grafted in to the SAME TREE! We were wild branches they real branches. After the resurrection I think the differences between the church and the Jews will disappear. Can you find any verses that would say otherwise?

I still had the wrong verse. Anyway, you seem to be saying there is no difference between planning an event and then its fulfillment. Yes, if God planned it, it would be a sure thing, I will agree. But this kind of reasoning has very little bearing on what was written on the outside of the book...

Your posts are hard to read mixing of scripture that doesn't fit scripture, but you imagine they do. You have proven over and over you don't understand John's chronology. Rev. 20 is AFTER all resurrections for the just. It is the beginning of the milennial reign. Since God promised the...

Sorry, I got on a different verse the first time. 6 And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth...