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  1. PaulChristensen

    Cessationism vs. continuationism...does it make any difference?

    Because Pentecostalism is made up of many difficult types of churches in different countries, which branch of Pentecostalism are you talking about?
  2. PaulChristensen

    Cessationism vs. continuationism...does it make any difference?

    Oh good grief! I'm wasting my time here. I'm off to greener pastures.
  3. PaulChristensen

    Cessationism vs. continuationism...does it make any difference?

    Rubbish. Note this Scripture: 15 And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you; 16 As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be...
  4. PaulChristensen

    Cessationism vs. continuationism...does it make any difference?

    My post containing the image of the cover of the book, "Foundations of Pentecostal Theology" points to what I think sums up the basics of the doctrinal statement of the traditional Pentecostal movement. Those churches that abide by the doctrinal statement in the book, remain what we know of...
  5. PaulChristensen

    Cessationism vs. continuationism...does it make any difference?

    Because the use of the gifts of the Spirit is Bible, and is not linked with emotionalism. Love, joy, and peace are emotions, but are fruit of the Spirit. Self control is also a fruit of the Spirit. There is a difference between true emotion, and worked up hype and emotionalism. Most of the...
  6. PaulChristensen

    Cessationism vs. continuationism...does it make any difference?

    The Bible says definitely that the gifts will cease "when that which is perfect is come." It all has to do with the definition of "perfect". It is a bit silly to say it is the Scriptures, because we have so many translations, which translation is perfect? All we have in the Greek manuscripts...
  7. PaulChristensen

    Cessationism vs. continuationism...does it make any difference?

    My foundation theology is 17th Century English Puritan Reformed. The basis of my Pentecostal theology can be found in: Which I have on my bookcase. I also have Gordon Fee's commentary on 1 Corinthians, along with John Calvin's commentary on the same book. I also have Charles Finney's...
  8. PaulChristensen

    Cessationism vs. continuationism...does it make any difference?

    Actually I get my teaching from the Bible, and my observation from my many friends in the Pentecostal and Charismatic movement in New Zealand. Maybe New Zealand Charismatics are a different breed than the ones in your area. By the way, Kenny Copeland's form of Charismatic is not mainstream...
  9. PaulChristensen

    Cessationism vs. continuationism...does it make any difference?

    Your pouring out of acid against Charismatics makes me wonder if someone in a Charismatic church got on your wick at one stage and the experience has coloured your whole perception of Charismatics? In my many years of experience that is usually the case. I knew a guy who was converted in a...
  10. PaulChristensen

    Cessationism vs. continuationism...does it make any difference?

    In actual fact, I've never met even just one who was like that, since 1970 until now!
  11. PaulChristensen

    Cessationism vs. continuationism...does it make any difference?

    Yes. Using bold font is a case of "shout for all you're worth. Argument very weak!"
  12. PaulChristensen

    Cessationism vs. continuationism...does it make any difference?

    Every theologian right through to the 19th Century interpreted 1 Corinthians 13:8-10 as the cessation of tongues and prophecy happening at the end of the church age, at the Day of Judgment. This was the view of all the early church fathers, Calvin, the English Puritan, Presbyterian, and...
  13. PaulChristensen

    Cessationism vs. continuationism...does it make any difference?

    Nonsense. I and my close friends in the faith have been Pentecostal or Charismatic in our theology for many years, going right back to the early 1970s, and none of us have ever sought manufactured emotional highs at all. But church for us is fun and enjoyable, inspiring, uplifting, and a great...
  14. PaulChristensen

    Cessationism vs. continuationism...does it make any difference?

    I've never seen any of it. In all the Pentecostal and Charismatic churches I have attended and associated with have had their roots deep in the Word of God and sound doctrine. I can't say the same for many of our modern liberal non-Charismatic churches that no longer believe in the Virgin...
  15. PaulChristensen

    Cessationism vs. continuationism...does it make any difference?

    The people you associate with may "conjure up" things for themselves "for greatness", but I have never met any Pentecostals or Charismatics who have done that. And this is coming from an old, experienced "soldier" of faith who has been around for the last 73 years, 54 of those as a committed...
  16. PaulChristensen

    Cessationism vs. continuationism...does it make any difference?

    That's strange. I have never met any Charismatics during my 50 years of associating with them, who have or are chasing emotional highs as you describe. Most, if not all I have met or seen have been ordinary godly people who enjoy going to church to worship God, hear Scriptural-based inspiring...
  17. PaulChristensen

    Cessationism vs. continuationism...does it make any difference?

    Of course, one has to wonder why Paul said that the Gospel of Christ is the power of God. He was the one who said that the kingdom of God is not just in talk but in power. He told the Corinthians that he did not come with the enticing words of man's wisdom but with demonstration of the Spirit...
  18. PaulChristensen

    Cessationism vs. continuationism...does it make any difference?

    You're right. Our society is becoming neo-pagan. If the pagans of the 1st Century needed to witness demonstration of the power of God through miracles of healing, words of knowledge, powerful prophecy, then it is clear that our neo-pagan society needs to witness the same. As we see the decline...
  19. PaulChristensen

    Cessationism vs. continuationism...does it make any difference?

    Yep. The New Testament certainly points very clearly to signs, wonders, and miracles accompanying the preaching of the Gospel right through to the present day and beyond to the Day of Judgment. Of course, there will be the false signs and wonders done by the AntiChrist, but these won't be...
  20. PaulChristensen

    Cessationism vs. continuationism...does it make any difference?

    There is a history called "Christianizing the Roman Empire" written by a secular historian. The positive about this history is that it doesn't have any theological bias, because the author was not a Christian theologian, and I am not sure that he was even a Christian. So, he wrote his history...