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  1. PaulChristensen

    Cessationism vs. continuationism...does it make any difference?

    Not convincing. Quoting random Scriptures out of their normal context doesn't earn you a cigar. Paul was talking about the preaching of the Cross, not spiritual gifts. You might need to get with the big boys who have learned the skill of correct exegesis of Scripture and accurate hermeneutics.
  2. PaulChristensen

    Cessationism vs. continuationism...does it make any difference?

    I think you have undermined your own position. Only those who have faith in Jesus will come to him. If they don't have faith they won't come to Him. Therefore if they don't come to Him, He can't heal them. If they can't get over the memory of him as a snotty nosed little kid playing with the...
  3. PaulChristensen

    Cessationism vs. continuationism...does it make any difference?

    The Scripture doesn't say that. They did not believe in Him as the miracle-working Messiah because He had grown up with those people, and His mother and siblings were still living there. They viewed him through the flesh as an ordinary man. Jesus said by way of explanation that a prophet is...
  4. PaulChristensen

    Cessationism vs. continuationism...does it make any difference?

    Very true! The vast majority of continuationists are soundly Scripture-based, and many hold strongly to Scripture even when they don't see any visual evidence of the gifts being manifested. They are not worried by the absence of the gifts in their churches. They know how difficult it is for...
  5. PaulChristensen

    Cessationism vs. continuationism...does it make any difference?

    Where in the epistles does it say that the gifts that show the sign that the Kingdom of God is with us did not continue? If the gifts were the sign to Israel that Jesus was the true Messiah, then the same gifts would be a sign to us that Jesus is our true Messiah. And the Jews required signs...
  6. PaulChristensen

    Cessationism vs. continuationism...does it make any difference?

    The waters have been totally muddied by the general unbelief in the modern manifestation of the spiritual gifts. In the same way that Jesus couldn't do any mighty works in His home town because of unbelief, many modern churches are so infected with unbelief with cessationist doctrine or...
  7. PaulChristensen

    TONGUES TODAY

    But I don't see in any of your quotes where Jesus or Paul said directly that the supernatural gifts of the Spirit were meant to be just temporary. 1 Corinthians 13:8 refers to Judgment day, not the completed canon of the Bible. The latter is an invention of a 19th Century theologian justifying...
  8. PaulChristensen

    Cessationism vs. continuationism...does it make any difference?

    I would be interested in any reference from Scripture where either Jesus or Paul said directly that tongues, healing and prophecy were just for the Apostolic Age and were not to continue afterward. I'm not too interested in any quotes by 19th Century theologians who wrest 1 Corinthians 13:8 out...
  9. PaulChristensen

    Cessationism vs. continuationism...does it make any difference?

    What sign gifts are you talking about? If Jesus doesn't heal today as He did when He was in the flesh ministering in Israel, does that mean that He has given up being compassionate? The real sign of His healing ministry was that God was showing the compassionate heart of the Father toward the...
  10. PaulChristensen

    Cessationism vs. continuationism...does it make any difference?

    Charismatic and Pentecostal teachings are not paramount and do not overrule the Word of God. We want instant results, when it may take a believer 20 years of perseverance and prayer to start to get people healed, because it may take 20 years to prepare that person's maturity and faith in God's...
  11. PaulChristensen

    Cessationism vs. continuationism...does it make any difference?

    I can't argue with straight Scripture. But we must consider the sovereignty of God and that He does what He wants, not what we want. I don't think God will happily respond to us Bible-bashing Him like some Bible-bash others into submission to their will. Just think about it. You pray for a...
  12. PaulChristensen

    Cessationism vs. continuationism...does it make any difference?

    It matters not a jot what the news media report or does not report, nor does it matter that people leave healing meetings still sick. What takes absolute priority is what the Scripture actually says. The Word of God says that Jesus is compassionate and heals the sick and disabled. Whether we...
  13. PaulChristensen

    Cessationism vs. continuationism...does it make any difference?

    This is showing Jesus of the Gospels, what He did in Israel, and what He does today. It doesn't matter how I feel, it is what the Scripture actually says about Jesus and His attitude of compassion toward sick and disabled people.
  14. PaulChristensen

    Cessationism vs. continuationism...does it make any difference?

    That is a great question! Jesus said that the fact that sick people are being healed and demons cast out shows that the Kingdom of God is among them. So, has the Kingdom of God gone away in our time? If not, then the signs that the Kingdom of God is still with us are that sick people are...
  15. PaulChristensen

    Cessationism vs. continuationism...does it make any difference?

    The prominent gifts that were common in the Early Church right through to the 4th Century were tongues, healing, and casting out of demons. Those gifts that were identified as "sign" gifts were signs that the Father who Jesus revealed to the world was a God full of compassion for sick and...
  16. PaulChristensen

    Cessationism vs. continuationism...does it make any difference?

    There are many other Scriptures that provide a reliable foundation that the supernatural gifts are for the whole body of Christ today and will continue to the end of the church age. Even if Mark didn't originally author the verses in Mark 16, the person who inserted the text certainly believed...
  17. PaulChristensen

    TONGUES TODAY

    You are still basing your view on observation and not God's Word. You are also quoting verse 34 out of context. Paul was not talking about women speaking in tongues at all. He was talking about married women questioning the content of prophecies given in church, and Paul says they should be...
  18. PaulChristensen

    TONGUES TODAY

    You are quoting these verses out of context. Reliable Bible commentators equate these verses to the end of the Church Age, not the end of the Apostolic Age. If you are saying that the Scriptures are perfect, then those same Scriptures clearly show that the supernatural gifts of the Spirit are...
  19. PaulChristensen

    TONGUES TODAY

    Then why are you not basing your evaluation of tongues on God's Word instead of a youtube video?
  20. PaulChristensen

    TONGUES TODAY

    I also don't care about that. If you are evaluating tongues on what you see in that video, you are being presumptuous and not using faith as the basis of your comments. All you are doing is presuming that all Charismatics use the gift of tongues as depicted in the video, instead of just some...