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  1. PaulChristensen

    TONGUES TODAY

    Just for your information, there is a great big "ditch" between Australia and New Zealand called the Tasman Sea. The flight time between Wellington NZ to Sydney Australia is around three and a half hours. We call the combination of Australia and New Zealand as Australasia. Sorry about the...
  2. PaulChristensen

    Why Covid 19 When We Have Healing Power

    When I was first converted in the AOG, I never knew what the righteousness of Christ was all about. It seemed to imply that the righteousness of Christ with some kind of conformity to the righteousness that Jesus had. I think the implication might have come from the Methodist Holiness...
  3. PaulChristensen

    TONGUES TODAY

    Chrisanity....meaning Christians are the only sane ones!
  4. PaulChristensen

    TONGUES TODAY

    While there are Charismatic Presbyterians (In New Zealand anyway), the one I went to in Auckland didn't want to be Charismatic, although there were some Charismatics in the membership. My church was half way between two suburbs, Papakura and Manurewa. The Papakura church was Charismatic, and...
  5. PaulChristensen

    TONGUES TODAY

    I totally agree with everything you have said. I mentioned the spirituality aspect because you were under the impression that I might have thought I was superior because I pray in tongues than others who don't have that facility. I wanted to put you right about that by explaining what I think...
  6. PaulChristensen

    Why Covid 19 When We Have Healing Power

    I appreciate that you are speaking from your own experience, and I left the Pentecostal movement in 1978 because I became disillusioned with it though the conduct of people in the church I attended. But you are speaking of things that are part of a minority within the Charismatic movement...
  7. PaulChristensen

    Why Covid 19 When We Have Healing Power

    Are you saying that millions of Pentecostals and Charismatics right around the world who are a major part of God's church and who are getting people saved, healed and released from demonic oppression, are doing harm to God's church? Maybe it is the false teaching of some Pentecostals and...
  8. PaulChristensen

    TONGUES TODAY

    I don't believe in degrees of spirituality. We are all equal in Christ. No one is more spiritual than another, or in any way superior. For me, tongues is just a spiritual tool, in the same way as a jigsaw is a workshop tool. Owning a jigsaw doesn't make me superior as a wood worker than any...
  9. PaulChristensen

    TONGUES TODAY

    I guess it has all to do what what God calls us to do. I prayed in tongues for the whole 12 years I was with the Pentecostal church. The best teaching I got about tongues was that one had to pray it from the heart and not just from the mouth. When I put that into practice I found that I was...
  10. PaulChristensen

    Cessationism vs. continuationism...does it make any difference?

    How many Pentecostal prophecies have you heart where the speaker has said, "Thus says the Lord"? Isn't that the same thing? What about the person who comes up to us and says, "The Lord has given me a word for you." Or "I got a dream from the Lord". Does this say that the whole Pentecostal...
  11. PaulChristensen

    Cessationism vs. continuationism...does it make any difference?

    We have to take into account that after the 4th Century, the church changed into being ruled from Rome, with regional bishops working under his authority. Once that hierarchy was in place, the supernatural gifts declined because the Holy Spirit was replaced by the authority of the bishops and...
  12. PaulChristensen

    Cessationism vs. continuationism...does it make any difference?

    Also, tongues, healing and prophecy were active in the Eastern Orthodox churches right up to the 12th Century. Because most church historians have a cessationist theology, many facts that support the continuance of the gifts past the Apostolic age and through the centuries has been left out or...
  13. PaulChristensen

    Cessationism vs. continuationism...does it make any difference?

    How do you account for church fathers up to and including the 4th Century reporting tongues, healing , prophecy and casting out of demons occurring without interruption? And John Wesley having 250 verified healings during his ministry? And Augustine, through a one year survey, reported 75...
  14. PaulChristensen

    Cessationism vs. continuationism...does it make any difference?

    I think we are basically on the same page, but maybe we are talking past each other.
  15. PaulChristensen

    Cessationism vs. continuationism...does it make any difference?

    Paul does list various types of tongues, and I guess that giving a supernatural language to a missionary in order to share the Gospel would be one of them. And there are testimonies that show that this actually happened. But that would not be the only form of tongue that is to be used by...
  16. PaulChristensen

    Cessationism vs. continuationism...does it make any difference?

    And the quote applies as much as today's churches as they did for the early church. But if tongues are ignored or forbidden in churches, and prophecies are never given, where are the signs for those who believe and believe not?
  17. PaulChristensen

    TONGUES TODAY

    A lot of people get spooked because of the fake manifestations and they are afraid to step out just in case their own attempt proves to be false as well. Many people find it too stressful to get up and give a prophecy in a church service because they are afraid that they will collide with the...
  18. PaulChristensen

    Cessationism vs. continuationism...does it make any difference?

    You can quote all the Scriptures you like, but until our churches start obeying God's Word in other foundation areas, we won't see many miracles. While there is a general lack of love, and believers of one religious persuasion attacking and criticizing others, and man's wisdom being preached...
  19. PaulChristensen

    TONGUES TODAY

    I think that most continuationists feel the same way. We know that the Scripture clearly shows that the signs and wonders should be accompanying the preaching of the Gospel, and that the elders of the church should be able to see sick people in their midst totally healed as the result of...