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  1. Ahwatukee

    Jesus comes immediately AFTER the tribulation, there is no Left Behind Secret Rapture=Stop causing fear.

    Well for one, when He said the following: Therefore keep watch, because you do not know the day on which your Lord will come. But understand this: If the homeowner had known in which watch of the night the thief was coming, he would have kept watch and would not have let his house be broken...
  2. Ahwatukee

    Why Daniel's 70th week must be in the future

    Well, as I have been explaining to you, believers ought to understand the nature of God in that, He does not punish the righteous with the wicked, which is what you and others are inferring when you claim a post tribulation gathering of the church. And I've also presented to you and others...
  3. Ahwatukee

    Jesus comes immediately AFTER the tribulation, there is no Left Behind Secret Rapture=Stop causing fear.

    Hello JerryInBoston, And what of the Lord's command to watch for His appearing to come and gather His church? He likened this event to if a man had known at what time the thief was going to come, he would have stayed alert in order to keep him from robbing his house. The idea is that, since no...
  4. Ahwatukee

    Why Daniel's 70th week must be in the future

    It is paramount to understand that the gathering of the church and the Lord's return to the earth to end the age, are two separate events, which take place at different time and have different purposes. The error comes when they are interpreted as being the same event, taking place at the same...
  5. Ahwatukee

    Why Daniel's 70th week must be in the future

    I agree with you in that, the temple and all its furniture are ready to go. The Sanhedrin has been reconvened for some time and their priests have been in the process of learning the how to present sacrifices and all of the practices performed in the temple. However, the reason that the Jews...
  6. Ahwatukee

    What examples of double fulfillments of prophecy exists in the OT alone?

    Well, when you factor in the fact that the child that was to be born was to be called "Immanuel" which means God with us, then it gets rid of the idea of the prophecy speaking about any other woman or child, i.e. no one else can be Emmanuel. And how many other virgin births were there? I'll...
  7. Ahwatukee

    Jesus comes immediately AFTER the tribulation, there is no Left Behind Secret Rapture=Stop causing fear.

    So your argument doesn't work. Have you understood the scenario of events? At the time when the church is gathered, the bodies of those who have died in Christ are reanimated immortal and glorified with their spirits reuniting with those resurrected bodies. Then immediately after that, those...
  8. Ahwatukee

    Jesus comes immediately AFTER the tribulation, there is no Left Behind Secret Rapture=Stop causing fear.

    In this case, "the Day of the Lord" is not a great day for those who will be on the earth. The Day of the Lord, is a reference to the time of His unprecedent wrath, a time of tribulation such as the world has not seen from the beginning, until now and never to be equaled again, which is what...
  9. Ahwatukee

    Jesus comes immediately AFTER the tribulation, there is no Left Behind Secret Rapture=Stop causing fear.

    LOL! Never heard that before. Here's another reference to the Day of the Lord from the prophet Amos: =============================================================== Woe to you who long for the Day of the LORD! What will the Day of the LORD be for you? It will be darkness and not light. It...
  10. Ahwatukee

    What examples of double fulfillments of prophecy exists in the OT alone?

    Isaiah 7:14 is not double prophecy, but was specifically speaking about Mary as the virgin and the birth of Christ. No other human being that was born could be called Emmanuel, which means 'God with us.'
  11. Ahwatukee

    Why Daniel's 70th week must be in the future

    Daniel 9:24-27 describes the seventy seven year periods (490 years) that were decreed upon Israel and Jerusalem. Below is Daniel 9:24: "Seventy weeks (of years) are decreed for your people and your holy city to stop their transgression, to put an end to sin, to make atonement for iniquity, to...
  12. Ahwatukee

    Why Daniel's 70th week must be in the future

    The sacrifices will start up again once the antichrist makes his seven year covenant with Israel, allowing them to build their temple and begin sacrificing again. Brother, as interesting as that may seem, you do not want to be here during that time, for it would mean that you missed the...
  13. Ahwatukee

    Jesus comes immediately AFTER the tribulation, there is no Left Behind Secret Rapture=Stop causing fear.

    You are absolutely correct, Ruby, the Lord is not going to torture His bride first and then gather us. The seals, trumpets and bowl judgments cannot in any way be construed to be common trials and tribulations, as some here are attempt infer. It is because Jesus took upon himself God's wrath...
  14. Ahwatukee

    Jesus comes immediately AFTER the tribulation, there is no Left Behind Secret Rapture=Stop causing fear.

    Hi there Ruby123, No, 'The Day of the Lord' is an expression describing a specific time when God's wrath will be poured out upon the earth, which has been prophesied of for thousands of years. Here is an example from Zephaniah and Isaiah: ====================================================...
  15. Ahwatukee

    Jesus comes immediately AFTER the tribulation, there is no Left Behind Secret Rapture=Stop causing fear.

    The problem is, you don't understand the difference between the common trials and tribulations that come as a result of faith vs. God's coming, unprecedented, direct wrath via the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments. If you did, you understand that we are not appointed to suffer said wrath...
  16. Ahwatukee

    Jesus comes immediately AFTER the tribulation, there is no Left Behind Secret Rapture=Stop causing fear.

    Well, we have the scriptures that gives us detailed information regarding the gathering of the church. And you are correct in that, it shouldn't even be a discussion, because the Lord is not going to send His bride through His wrath first and then gather her afterwards, which is what you and...
  17. Ahwatukee

    Jesus comes immediately AFTER the tribulation, there is no Left Behind Secret Rapture=Stop causing fear.

    You just answered your own question. It is because Jesus took upon himself the God's wrath satisfying it completely, as the reason why believers are not appointed to suffer God's coming wrath and why we will be get that free ticket out of here, as promise by the Lord himself. The apostles and...
  18. Ahwatukee

    Why Daniel's 70th week must be in the future

    Agreed! LOL! GaryA has been on my ignore list for many years now.
  19. Ahwatukee

    Jesus comes immediately AFTER the tribulation, there is no Left Behind Secret Rapture=Stop causing fear.

    Hello Jesusistheway64, That is a false assumption on your part! Our faith is not based on the timing of when the Lord gathers the church, but is on the Lord himself. We who know that the Lord is going to gather His church prior to His wrath are always ready to take up our crosses, even unto...