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  1. Ahwatukee

    Why Daniel's 70th week must be in the future

    Exactly my point! Just as the earthquake, the rocks splitting and the curtain in temple torn in two was a sign to cause the Centurion to say, "Truly this was the Son of God!" So it was also a sign when all of those who resurrected went back into the city where they were seen by the people.
  2. Ahwatukee

    Why Daniel's 70th week must be in the future

    When I say "Tribulation Period" I am speaking specifically about God's wrath that is about to take place via the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments which will take place during that entire seven year period leading up to the Lord's return to the earth to end the age. There will be nothing to...
  3. Ahwatukee

    Why Daniel's 70th week must be in the future

    Good day, OldSage, I agree that 'wrath' and 'tribulation' from God have taken place in the past. Even now Paul says that there is a wrath from God against all wickedness and godlessness being revealed, where God is giving them over to the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for...
  4. Ahwatukee

    Why Daniel's 70th week must be in the future

    "They tell how you turned to God from idols to serve the living and true God, and to wait for his Son from heaven, whom he raised from the dead—Jesus, who rescues us from the coming wrath. The Means of Rescue for the Church: For the Lord himself will come down from heaven, with a loud command...
  5. Ahwatukee

    Why Daniel's 70th week must be in the future

    The pre-tribulation gathering of the church is not false, but will be the fulfillment of the Lord's promise to gather us from the earth prior to His wrath being poured out on a Christ rejecting world via the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments. And since Jesus said that it will come upon the...
  6. Ahwatukee

    Jesus comes immediately AFTER the tribulation, there is no Left Behind Secret Rapture=Stop causing fear.

    Hello ewq1938, The two witness do indeed take part in the first resurrection. The first resurrection is comprised of phases. Every resurrection which takes place prior to the one at the end of the thousand years belong to the first resurrection. What trips people up is the word "first" which...
  7. Ahwatukee

    Why Daniel's 70th week must be in the future

    It appears that it was a sign to the people, for Jesus said "I am the way, the truth and the life." Remember what the century said who was there watching over Jesus on the cross? When Jesus gave up His spirit the curtain in the temple was torn in two, there was an earthquake, the rocks split and...
  8. Ahwatukee

    Why Daniel's 70th week must be in the future

    The tribulation period here is a specific time of tribulation, the long prophesied Day of the Lord. As Jesus said regarding this time period that it will be a time of great tribulation unequaled from the beginning, until now and never to be equaled again. It is when the seals, trumpets and bowl...
  9. Ahwatukee

    Why Daniel's 70th week must be in the future

    No, that is not what I said. The reference to "first fruits" is referring to those who are resurrected in the 'immortal and glorified bodies.' Of these Jesus was the first fruits of those who rise from the dead in their immortal and glorified bodies. Neither Lazarus nor those who came out of the...
  10. Ahwatukee

    Jesus comes immediately AFTER the tribulation, there is no Left Behind Secret Rapture=Stop causing fear.

    I would like to point out that neither Daniel, Noah, Shadrach, Meshach nor Abednego were having God's wrath poured out on them. And it wasn't God plan to have them removed from the earth, as it is for the church. After the church has been gathered, God's wrath will come upon the whole entire...
  11. Ahwatukee

    Why Daniel's 70th week must be in the future

    That is wonderful to hear, tourist! And the more you seek to understand it, the more the Spirit will reveal to you. There are many deeper, secret things within this book which God begins to bring to light with study. "The revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave Him to show to His...
  12. Ahwatukee

    Why Daniel's 70th week must be in the future

    Hi de-emerald, Just a correction here: Satan will not have Israel doing animal sacrifices. Since they did not recognize Jesus as their Messiah, they still consider themselves to be under the law and are therefore looking forward to building their temple and starting to sacrifice once again...
  13. Ahwatukee

    Why Daniel's 70th week must be in the future

    Thankyou once again for explaining this :). Could you help me out with this scripture, as i read when i was doing a study of the rapture a long time ago. a quote said the rapture started 2000 years ago, left me some what confused. it was based on this scripture, mathew 27:51-52 51 At that...
  14. Ahwatukee

    Why Daniel's 70th week must be in the future

    *Correction = "written therein" Sheesh! I need to edit my posts better.
  15. Ahwatukee

    Why Daniel's 70th week must be in the future

    By the way, may God bless you for your desire to know the book of Revelation. It is one of the only books, if not thee only book, that gives a blessing for those who read aloud the words of that prophecy, or in this case read them and those who hear it and take to heart what is wrath therein...
  16. Ahwatukee

    Why Daniel's 70th week must be in the future

    Thank you! And you are so welcome.
  17. Ahwatukee

    Why Daniel's 70th week must be in the future

    Again, the antichrist does not reign for seven years. But does his rule does not begin until the middle of the seven years, when He causes the sacrifices and offerings to cease and sets up that abomination in the temple. It is at this same time that he will sit in the temple proclaiming himself...
  18. Ahwatukee

    Why Daniel's 70th week must be in the future

    There are two new groups introduced in Revelation 7: 144,000 Israelites - This group will recognize Jesus as their Messiah and will be sealed with the seal of God in their foreheads in the earlier part of that first 3 1/2 years of that seven year period. The Male Child mentioned in Rev.12, is a...
  19. Ahwatukee

    Why Daniel's 70th week must be in the future

    Says you! We have been showing you the scriptures which teach a pre-tribulation gathering and why, but your not understanding or believing. We don't base our findings on Darby, MacDonald or any of those other people, but on scripture, which you reject. We have given you the information, not...
  20. Ahwatukee

    Why Daniel's 70th week must be in the future

    All you are doing is showing that you believe because you've read this same information regarding Darby that so many other attempt to use to circumvent the truth of the pre-tribulation gathering of the church. We are not quoting Darby, but scripture. I did not get my information from Darby...