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    Who Justifieth the Ungodly

    :rolleyes: ... the "elect" referred to in Rom 8:33 are those who are born again through faith in the Lord Jesus Christ ... those who are in Christ Jesus (Rom 8:1) ... those who walk after the Spirit (Rom 8:4) ... those in whom the Spirit of God dwells (Rom 8:9) ... those who are led by the...
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    The Atonement: What did it REALLY Accomplish?

    :rolleyes: ... in conflating what is written in Matthew 3:15 with what is written in Romans 8:4 ... you reveal you do not understand what is written in Matthew 3 nor do you understand what is written in Romans 8. Here is what you do with Scripture, brightfame52 ... you take a verse (or verses)...
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    The Atonement: What did it REALLY Accomplish?

    :rolleyes: ... you continue to reject the truth of Scripture ... according to Scripture ... the Lord Jesus Christ died for the whole world ... all descendants of Adam. John 1:29 The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the...
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    The Atonement: What did it REALLY Accomplish?

    nope ... according to Scripture ... the Lord Jesus Christ died for the whole world ... all descendants of Adam. John 1:29 The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world. John 3:16-17 For God so loved the world, that he...
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    Who Justifieth the Ungodly

    :rolleyes: ... there is only one "Elect" and that is the Lord Jesus Christ. I know you believe you are "Elect"; however, all descendants of Adam are born dead in trespasses and sins. In our day and time, only those who are born again are (small "e") "elect". :rolleyes: ... let's just take a...
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    Who Justifieth the Ungodly

    First of all, the term "his people" should correctly be referred to as "His people" (capital "H"). Secondly, the offering of the Lord Jesus Christ is sufficient to cover all the sins of all mankind. The Lord Jesus Christ laid down His life for all descendants of Adam (the whole world)...
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    The Atonement: What did it REALLY Accomplish?

    According to Scripture, the Lord Jesus Christ died for the whole world ... all descendants of Adam. John 1:29 The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world. John 3:16-17 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only...
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    The Atonement: What did it REALLY Accomplish?

    In using the word "world" [Greek kosmos] Scripture does not only refer to "the things that are in the world". However, as I already pointed out to you, Thayer's specifically references 1 John 2:15 at definition 7: 7. worldly affairs; the aggregate of things earthly; the whole circle of earthly...
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    The Atonement: What did it REALLY Accomplish?

    :rolleyes: ... according to Scripture ... the Lord Jesus Christ died for the whole world ... all descendants of Adam. John 1:29 The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world. John 3:16-17 For God so loved the world...
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    The Atonement: What did it REALLY Accomplish?

    Here is what I showed you, ForestGreenCook: You claimed in Post 2384 that the word "world" in John 1:29 is defined by Thayer's definition #8. However, Thayer's definition #8 does not reference any of the verses you claim. Thayer's definition #8 references James 3:6, Proverbs 17:6, 1 John...
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    The Atonement: What did it REALLY Accomplish?

    John did not write to "elect" in 1 John. John did not use the word eklektos at all in 1 John. Here is what the Author of Scripture told John to write: 1 John 2: 15 Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him...
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    The Atonement: What did it REALLY Accomplish?

    I have already done that, ForestGreenCook. I quoted directly from Thayer's: 5. the inhabitants of the world ... particularly the inhabitants of the earth, men, the human race ... John 1:10, 29 ... John 3:16f ... Corinthians 5:19 ... 1 John 2:2...
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    Who Justifieth the Ungodly

    Justification by faith is what God tells us ... Romans 4: 20 He [Abraham] staggered not at the promise of God through unbelief; but was strong in faith, giving glory to God; 21 And being fully persuaded that, what he [God] had promised, he [God] was able also to perform. 22 And therefore it...
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    Who Justifieth the Ungodly

    :rolleyes: if a person was "Justified when Christ rose from the dead", then all believers who lived prior to Christ having risen from the dead were never justified. However, Scripture tells us Abraham believed God and God imputed righteousness to Abraham ... but, according to you, Abraham...
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    The Atonement: What did it REALLY Accomplish?

    God clearly states that righteousness is imputed when we believe: Romans 4: 20 He [Abraham] staggered not at the promise of God through unbelief; but was strong in faith, giving glory to God; 21 And being fully persuaded that, what he [God] had promised, he [God] was able also to perform. 22...
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    The Atonement: What did it REALLY Accomplish?

    You are not addressing the issues raised. You conflated what is written in Heb 8:10 with what is written in Rom 3:27 in an attempt to claim that one of the "laws" God writes in the heart is the "law of faith". I pointed out your error in conflating Heb 8 and Rom 3:27 and showed you that the...
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    The Atonement: What did it REALLY Accomplish?

    :rolleyes: ... you mean like this guy??? Mark 1:14-15 Now after that John was put in prison, Jesus came into Galilee, preaching the gospel of the kingdom of God, And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel. you do know these folks...
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    The Atonement: What did it REALLY Accomplish?

    do not conflate what is written in Romans 3:27 with what is written in Hebrews 8:10 ... that is improper interpretation of Scripture. Here's what your good friend, John Gill, says about "the law of faith": the word "law" here answers to the Hebrew word which signifies any "doctrine" or...
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    The Atonement: What did it REALLY Accomplish?

    Your "criteria" is a straw man because no one disputes that God's gift is wholly God's gift. Additionally, your argument is faulty in that you claim God's gift is not God's gift unless your stated "criteria" is met. God's gift is God's gift. Period. If someone rejects God's gift, that does...
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    Who Justifieth the Ungodly

    :rolleyes: ... read the verse again, brightfame52 ... and pay attention to the words in red Rom 4:5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness. the moment the "ungodly" believeth, he or she is justified ... no longer...