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    Who Justifieth the Ungodly

    just for you, PennEd: READ YOUR BIBLE!!! (then you'd know "who justifieth the ungodly") ... just sayin' .
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    Who Justifieth the Ungodly

    :rolleyes: ... "our sanctified hearts and minds" do not exist in us until we are born again ... so you've got the cart before the horse. Hear the words of Paul and Silas when the jailer asked "sirs, what must I do to be saved" Acts 16:31 And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and...
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    Who Justifieth the Ungodly

    :rolleyes: ... to be justified by faith is what God says it is ... to be justified by faith is not what you claim in your erroneous dogma. r - i - g - h - t ... no need to believe that God is Who He says He is ... that the Lord Jesus Christ is Who He says He is ... that the Lord Jesus Christ...
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    Who Justifieth the Ungodly

    :rolleyes: ... the Lord Jesus Christ died for the whole world ... all descendants of Adam: John 1:29 The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world. John 3:16-17 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only...
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    Who Justifieth the Ungodly

    :rolleyes: ... if your so-called "Gods elect people" do not believe, the result is not "their justification". Can you read from verse 1 to verse 18 and keep in mind what God told you in verse 1? Romans 5:1 Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ .
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    Who Justifieth the Ungodly

    Your stated conclusion is not the point of Galatians 3. According to Gal 3:2, Paul is speaking to those who have already received Holy Spirit (i.e. they are already born again believers): Galatians 3:2 This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the...
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    Predestination is misunderstood...

    ok ... here are some records which indicate there was sin before the law of Moses ... and that mankind knew about sin before the law of Moses: Genesis 18:20-21 And the LORD said, Because the cry of Sodom and Gomorrah is great, and because their sin is very grievous; I will go down now, and see...
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    Predestination is misunderstood...

    Read Genesis 9 to see what God put in place for Noah and his family. As far as what God told Cain and Abel? Scripture does not tells us, but because Abel offered "by faith" and "faith by hearing and hearing by the Word of God", there had to have been a Word of God heard by Abel. While...
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    Predestination is misunderstood...

    The law to which Paul refers in Rom 5:13 is the law of Moses. I believe there were laws in place between the law we see in Genesis 2:17 and the law in Exodus. In Genesis 4 we read about the offerings of Abel and Cain. As we all know, Cain's offering was not accepted by God and Abel's offering...
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    Swordsmanship

    I find it interesting that the instruction is to be strong in the Lord, and in the power of His might ... then clothe ourselves with the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil ... then pray always with all prayer and supplication in the Spirit, and...
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    The Atonement: What did it REALLY Accomplish?

    The "things" you describe in your post do not support your claim that "Christ's death was not for all mankind". It is clear from Scripture that the Lord Jesus Christ died for the whole world ... all mankind ... all descendants of Adam: John 1:29 The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him...
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    The Atonement: What did it REALLY Accomplish?

    :rolleyes: ... you have been bewitched (Gal 3:1). Scripture tells us the Lord Jesus Christ died for the whole world ... all descendants of Adam. The "us" in Gal 3:13 are those who believe ... those who receive the promise of the Spirit through faith (Gal 3:14). The promise of the Spirit does...
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    The Atonement: What did it REALLY Accomplish?

    :rolleyes: ... if and when you dismiss "faith and repentance", you preach another gospel: Galatians 1: 6 I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel: 7 Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert...
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    The Atonement: What did it REALLY Accomplish?

    The Lord Jesus Christ died for the whole world ... all descendants of Adam: John 1:29 The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world. John 3:16-17 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that...
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    The Atonement: What did it REALLY Accomplish?

    More of your same old, same old process. rip a verse from its context in Hebrews 9 rip a verse from its context in Hebrews 10 rip a verse from its context in John 8 mash the verses together and then accuse God of lying ... nothing but utter nonsense in your futile attempt to align...
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    The Atonement: What did it REALLY Accomplish?

    Conversion (new birth/born again) does not occur before a person believes in the Lord Jesus Christ. Belief in the Lord Jesus Christ results in the new birth, being born again ... aka "conversion". In Acts 11, the believers who had been scattered because of persecution preached the gospel to...
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    The Atonement: What did it REALLY Accomplish?

    :rolleyes: ... you have added the word "only" to what is written in John 13:1: John 13:1 Now before the feast of the passover, when Jesus knew that his hour was come that he should depart out of this world unto the Father, having loved his own which were in the world, he loved them unto the...
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    Who Justifieth the Ungodly

    :rolleyes: ... wrong ... the only way you can conclude what you surmise is by completely disregarding the words "but believeth on Him that justifieth" and "his faith". Romans 4:5 tells us that the ungodly person believeth on Him that justifieth the ungodly (meaning the person who believes) ...
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    Who Justifieth the Ungodly

    :rolleyes: ... righteousness is not imputed to a person until he or she believes. God imputed righteousness to Abraham when Abraham believed: Genesis 15:6 And he [Abraham] believed in the LORD; and he [God] counted it to him [Abraham] for righteousness. Righteousness was not imputed to...
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    Who Justifieth the Ungodly

    We have already gone through this verse, brightfame52: the "elect" referred to in Rom 8:33 are those who are born again through faith in the Lord Jesus Christ ... those who are in Christ Jesus (Rom 8:1) ... those who walk after the Spirit (Rom 8:4) ... those in whom the Spirit of God dwells...