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The chaff is burned in the fire. It's a promise of never dealing with the thing that Christ removes out of us.

Romans 11 is misunderstood because of present-day politics. It starts with "I ask then: Did God reject his people? By no means! I am an Israelite myself, a descendant of Abraham, from the tribe of Benjamin." Here, Paul gives proof that salvation came to the Israelites. Paul writes "I am...

Yeah, I don't see fire as the judgement. I see it as the separation required for refinement: "For the word of God is living, and active, and sharper than any two-edged sword, and piercing even to the dividing of soul and spirit, of both joints and marrow, and quick to discern the thoughts and...

John never said the baptism of fire was a curse. “But who can endure the day of his coming? Who can stand when he appears? For he will be like a refiner’s fire or a launderer’s soap. He will sit as a refiner and purifier of silver; he will purify the Levites and refine them like gold and...

"For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace."

It's always interesting when someone claiming to be a Christian promotes "praying for the Jews" in lieu of "praying for the Arabs". The Arabs will come into the kingdom before the Jews. Most of them are currently held down by Islam. Pray for the Arabs, man. It's their time to break out of their...

It was the claim about the whole of Revelation being an allegory that no one made. You're getting off topic. Regarding Israel: the Israel that is God's people are all in Christ. It's not clear what God has in store for the physical nation or Israel. Currently, they are enemies of the gospel.

When you tell a story with symbols it's an allegory. But I agree: symbolic would have been a better explanation. One definition of "allegory" is "a symbol". :sneaky: No one made this claim.

Yes indeed. I was thinking about all those "in Christ". Like Peter wrote to believers: "But you are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, His own special people, that you may proclaim the praises of Him who called you out of darkness into His marvelous light"

Part of what is lacking on a public forum (and in churches) is the presence of elders. Everyone (myself included) is convinced, in their own mind, that what they understand about the scriptures is correct. Unless what is being taught is obviously wrong, then more questions are warranted. It's...

Right. Because you are stuck on Israel being a physical place. Israel is a specific people.

Right. @Omegatime please tell us your insight.

There's a lot to unpack in that passage. I know people have different views of scripture, especially Revelation. There are several rules to which I adhere when reading such a prophetic book. One is: In a particular area, if most of the verses are allegorical then the entire passage is likely...

Even Israel is against Israel. They have been since Christ.

Sure. That occurred on the 4th day. So what we think of terrestrial “evening and morning” is not what ”evening and morning” mean at least until day 4. I believe “evening and morning” are specific to the creation story.

Was he? Or did he start tracking after Adam was banished from the garden? What's time to a person who won't die?

In the first 7 days of creation there was no sin for man. I don't believe those were 7, 24 hour days, though, as the way in which an earth day is measured did not exist until day 4.

Most people work backwards, ending with Adam. Are you suggesting there is another way?

What do we think the 1000 years reign of Christ with Satan bound is for? A big party? I mean, why a 1000 years? That's a long time. It's a time without the influence of the evil one in the earth. Presumably it will take some of you a long time to conform to Christ.:sneaky:

Yes! We all start in the same place.