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I agree with what you say, The poster I was responding to believes the Second Coming is at the end of the Millennium which, I find strange as (imo) the Millennium is Christ ruling on Earth from Jerusalem. I find it difficult how anyone can envisage the Millenium as anything other than Christ...

Christians stand before the judgement seat of Christ not the Great White Throne and we go to be with the Lord upon death. To be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord. 2 Corinthians 5:10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, that each one may receive the things...

I don't have a problem with the tribulation saints reigning with Christ. I have a problem with Christ establishing His rule on earth without actually coming to earth.

You wouldn't be Catholic by any chance would you? Not saying that is a bad thing but it would explain some of your thinking. :)

Then who are the nations in Rev.19 that Jesus is pouring out His indignation on? The following is just prior to the beginning of the Millennium. Do you think Jesus is doing all this (Rev.19:11-21) from heaven? Revelation 19:19 And I saw the beast, the kings of the earth, and their armies...

The First and Second Resurrection is a matter of quality, not quantity. There are only two resurrections, one to life and one to condemnation. John 5:29 and come forth— those who have done good, to the resurrection of life, and those who have done evil, to the resurrection of condemnation. The...

It is never the text that generates problems, it's our understanding of it that causes the trouble. If you can't resolve the text then change what you think, it is the only way.

So you don't see Jesus returning until the end of the Millennium?

I suggest you read Isaiah 65: 17-25 to get a fuller picture of what the new heavens and earth will be like. Isaiah 65:17 “For behold, I create new heavens and a new earth; And the former shall not be remembered or come to mind.

Yet, it seems to give the impression death is a potential scenario, at least it does to my mind especially when compared to Rev.21. I get a different picture when I look at both passages which, in my mind, would explain the difference between the new creation to be found in the Millennium and...

Anyone can read the text, the questions I'm asking are trying to establish your understanding of who enters the Millennium. Do you know who these Tribulation believers are or not? Simply saying they are the Tribulation believers because they went through the Tribulation is like saying "a woman...

Sometimes I wonder if people simply repeat Bible verses but never envision the practical outworking of what they say and think it through to it's logical end. :unsure:

Huh? Who gets deceived when Satan is loosed if there is no-one on earth? You think God let's him back into heaven to do his dirty work after already having had him thrown down to earth? I may not be able to produce a specific verse but common sense based on what scripture says prevails when...

I believe the Millennium is to what he is referring however do you understand Isaiah 65 as a reference to the eternal state or the Millennium?

To say the "Tribulation believers are those that underwent the Great Tribulation" is rather circular and doesn't tell me who you think they are. Are they the Church, those in Christ? Are they Jewish believers only? Are they a mix of Jewish believers and Gentile believers who live in and worship...

Huh? That is what I said. The other poster was trying to argue that freedom is to have no restraints. I said that is chaos. Freedom can only exist within boundaries. To be a slave to our sin nature is to be free to destruction and death. To be a slave to Christ is to be free to righteousness...

When is the Church raised and removed to heaven? If the tribulations believers are raised post tribulation, who are they reigning over with Christ? There is no-one left to populate the earth for the Millennium. Who are the Tribulation believers? Are they "in Christ" and therefore part of the...

Yes because freedom doesn't mean to be without restraint, that would be chaos. Freedom can only exist within authority, including God's freedom. He is His own authority as He is our authority and indeed the authority in all creation.

Yes the Rapture will be like that but what the particular passage the OP asked about is not concerning the Rapture but the Second Coming and is removing the unbelievers from the earth, not believers which, is what the Rapture will remove, that is, believers in Christ. It pays not to mix the two...

No, the imagery is using Noah's flood and those who were "taken" in the flood were not the righteous.