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  1. Iconoclast

    Particular Redemption

    Can you show where I posted anything from John Calvin? I like people like you who do not really grasp salvation in the bible, but you are in a hurry to accuse the brethren of teaching another gospel. That is the work of satan, not a Chrisitan brother.
  2. Iconoclast

    Particular Redemption

    What an imbecilic comment. I doubt you grasp the gospel at all.
  3. Iconoclast

    Particular Redemption

    Salvation is God giving a person a NEW HEART,Ezk36: Selah, take notice it is the Spirit of God doing these 7 things, not the sinner opening a door: 1]25 Then will I sprinkle clean water upon you, and ye shall be clean: 2]from all your filthiness, and from all your idols, will I cleanse you...
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    Particular Redemption

    Sorry the comments went right past you. They will perhaps help others capable of thinking on such things. prov.1: 5 A wise man will hear, and will increase learning; and a man of understanding shall attain unto wise counsels: 6 To understand a proverb, and the interpretation; the words of the...
  5. Iconoclast

    Particular Redemption

    This is not a salvation context is it Selah? It is written to a church in which Jesus is finding fault with them.
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    Particular Redemption

    Here we have an example of this mistaken poster suggesting salvation is dependent upon our works, rather than the grace of God. He denies that Jesus actually saved every sinner He died to save. His man centered ideas attempt to suggest that salvation is not of the lord, but rather of man. he...
  7. Iconoclast

    Particular Redemption

    Yes exactly. He is not the Saviour of Israelites only, but of all men , Jew and gentile. Obviously, all men who were ever born, are not going to be saved.
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    Particular Redemption

    If those words are NOT in the text, why do you say it is a "clear scripture? Here is another clear scripture I am sure you will love; jn3: 15 that every one who is believing in him may not perish, but may have life age-during, 16 for God did so love the world, that His Son -- the only begotten...
  9. Iconoclast

    Particular Redemption

    Italics means it was added by the translators, not in the original text. 2 and he -- he is a propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only, but also for the whole world,
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    Particular Redemption

    I agree that the object of saving faith is vital, we must have Jesus, but we see this;2Thess3 3 Finally, brethren, pray for us, that the word of the Lord may have free course, and be glorified, even as it is with you: 2 And that we may be delivered from unreasonable and wicked men: for all men...
  11. Iconoclast

    Particular Redemption

    You ask the correct question, which is; WAS the atonement actual, or potential? Does it actually do what it is supposed to, or only potentially do it? If we say the lifeguard "saved " the drowning swimmer, and yet we find him dead from drowning laying on the beach, can we say he "saved him"?
  12. Iconoclast

    Particular Redemption

    then in Heb 2:10 we are told that the Lord Jesus Christ brings many sons unto glory ... i.e. not every descendant of Adam. So, you already see it is not everyman, or everyone, so let's read with that in mind You had a very nice quote from Spurgeon which I totally agree with, I love Spurgeon...
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    Particular Redemption

    I can agree with what you say here. The difference is "if all would repent and believe" you say. The bible says ...they will not... jn1:5 And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not. 10 He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not...
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    Particular Redemption

    I agree with you in this way. Jesus died on the cross 2000 yrs ago. He said: IT is finished. It was a completed work, a full atonement. Nothing needed to be added to it. The Spirit grants saving faith as part of the great salvation we have. Eph2:8-9. That saving faith is a Divine enablement...
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    Particular Redemption

    Hello Johnrh, So... you do not think the death of Jesus saves? You list these "bad boys" and yet they are not saved. You claim Jesus died for them? It did not do anything for them? It had no effect on them? They were sinners when they died? Why did Jesus say this to the religious Jews...
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    Particular Redemption

    Hello Selah, This verse is talking about the will of God, not the will of man. Man has a will, but it is not free. It is bound by his sin nature. You have no verse or verses saying man has free will. Free will is a philosophical term that was man made, not a biblical term. men are called upon to...
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    Particular Redemption

    Did you notice, "the sins of" is in italics? That means it is not in the text, it was added by some translators.