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If you dont understand Justification of the ungodly before God apart from their faith/believing, but solely by the death of Christ for them, then you dont understand that God Justified the ungodly, for the ungodly person is void of Faith.

I see your opposition to Justification by Grace.

Christ resurrection declares Justification ! The Lord Jesus Christ in His Resurrection from the dead declares those He died for Justified before they themselves believe. Rom 4:25 25 Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification. 25 Who was betrayed and put to...

If you dont understand post 884 I cant see how you understand being Justified while ungodly . Thats what Abraham and others believed, that God Justified them while being ungodly.

I see you still have conflict with what I believe the truth of scripture is.

Justification by Grace Alone ! Titus 3:7 7 That being justified by his grace, we should be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life. Its this Truth, not Justification by Faith alone, but Justification by Grace alone that is the foundation of the Gospel Preaching. Rom 3:24 24 Being...

Those people for whom Christ died, their sins were imputed to Christ, so that being the case, Christ effectively dealt with them, put them away, so God will not impute their sins to them. Rom 4:8 Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin.

God Justifeth the Ungodly ! Rom 4:5 5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness. This is True, but not all who are ungodly, but only for those ungodly ones Christ died for the Elect. Rom 5:6 6 For when we were yet...

Whats your point ? Because you havent made one.

Okay, I have no problem with that verse, however I dont know if you understand it. It doesnt contradict anything I stated with scripture.

Application of Redemption too ! Rom 8:32 32 He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things? Acts 3:25-26 25 Ye are the children of the prophets, and of the covenant which God made with our fathers, saying unto...

I dont see how, but on that note, our discourse will terminate.

You dont understand those verses the way I do, so no need for me to explain them to you, you already have issues with plain statements like Gal 3:13

Read this thread, I have been posting that very thing !

Read Gal 3:13 carefully. How were they redeemed from the curse of the Law ? In Rom 7:4 how did they become dead to the law ? 4 Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we...

Its already proved, you arent honest enough to own up to it. You have nothing posted by me saying that.

oic1965 Yes, thats right ! I have been saying that for years and scripture verifys that, if you understand scripture.

I dont see how you can believe Gal 3:13 and then say a person Christ died for is lost ! And if you dont understand Gal 3:13 you dont understand the entire chapter.

If a person was redeemed by Christs death, then they were forgiven, Justified , saved from the curse of the law before they believed and while ungodly.

I know what I stated, however I never stated what you said, that one is godly before they believed. Thats misrepresentation and dishonest friend.