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renewed A person that Christ died for, an elect, they are Justified before God before prior to any work of the Spirit upon them or in them. Now once they are born again and believe they are no longer ungodly, yet they were Justified before God before they were born again and believed.

renewd Thats your confusion not mine. A person is ungodly by nature, before they are born again. And if they are elect, they are Justified while unregenerate.

renewed God justifieth the ungodly, therefore they are justified before faith, while being ungodly. Now this applies only to Gods elect, for they are the only ones Christ died for. Rom 8:33-34 33 Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth. 34 Who is he...

renewed God saves His Elect from such a plight by His Grace and Mercy, and turns them to Himself, the turning must come from God. Acts 3:26 26 Unto you first God, having raised up his Son Jesus, sent him to bless you, in turning away every one of you from his iniquities. Jesus turns those He...

renewed Rom 1:18-32 didnt apply to the saints, yet it was written to the saints.How can you confuse such ? The whole Letter was written to the Saints, yet everything doesnt have to apply to them. Rom 1:18-32 applied to the reprobate world which God had distinguished the Saints from.

renewed See how you dishonestly twist things ? I said Rom 12:3 the giving of Faith to every man applied to only believers, the saints.

renewed No, they had been begotten of God, born of God is in the aorist past and passive voice, that's an action from the past. Now anyone knows that an action/activity comes after birth. So the receiving, believing both actions, came after having been born of God !

renewed Yes, but they were born again previously in order to believe on Him, to receive Him. Thats what Vs 13 tells us !

Again, Jn 1:12-13 Vs 13 gives the foundation of why some during the ministry of Christ did receive Him and believed on His name, opposed to the many many that did not receive Him in Israel, they did because they had been born of God. Jesus said later why some hear Him Jn 8:47 47 He that is of...

renewed . Its simple, Eph 1:13 is about the regenerate elect, after hearing of their salvation, the good news of it, they believe with God given Faith, and that testimony is sealed into their minds permanently, by the Spirit ! Thats why a true believer cannot apostatized from the faith, they...

renewed There is no spiritual hearing without being born of God. Men naturally cannot hear/understand the words of God Jn 8:43 43 Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word. Thats word hear akouō is the same word in Eph 1:13, so man naturally cannot hear...

Lol, its only you and i in this exchange, its clear, you just trying to avoid your contradictions.

I actually know what scripture says, to bad you dont seem to know, since you contradict it and make salvation contingent upon your action, which is works !

renewed Yep, does one have faith in the Jesus Christ revealed in the scripture who died to save exclusively a Chosen People of God Matt 1:21,Jn 10 given to Him before the foundation Eph 1:4, or are they trusting in the counterfit christ that died for everyone making their salvation only...

renewed No its not Wrong again Thats True, that Faith is the fruit of the Spirit, not his natural human faith ! The rest of your comment is garbage More garbage. Everyone by nature are unbelievers, dont seek the True God Rom 3:11 11 There is none that understandeth, there is none that...

Grace reigns through Him ! Rom 5:21 21 That as sin hath reigned unto death [through adam], even so might grace reign through righteousness unto eternal life by Jesus Christ our Lord. How does Grace reign through Righteousness. The word reign is the greek word basileuō and means: I. to be...

renewed I already know that, its you who makes faith a condition, a work you meet to get saved, not me. My Faith is a Gift from Gods Grace that gives evidence that God saved me by His Grace !

renewed You quote that, yet you turn around and condition salvation on your faith, which constitutes works, even law keeping ! See Matt 23:23 again

renewed Yes this is true of the regenerate It is, so whats your point ? Its true, I dont see where you understand the scriptures. I dont think you understand one verse you have posted yet. Im just being honest.

renewed Its implied since you believe the natural man, the unregenerate man has the ability to have faith in Christ. The scriptures reveal Christ ! I believe the scriptures can only be read and understood by a regenerate person, one who has been born again by the Spirit.