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  1. Clayman

    There will be no Rapture!!!

    Even post tribbers used to recognise the difference between the coming for His bride and coming to the earth, The coming to the earth is the second coming or the second advent. Other post tribbers will acknowledge that the bride returns with the Lord to the earth, so the events are separate and...
  2. Clayman

    There will be no Rapture!!!

    Exactly, the rapture is something to look forward to, its a blessing, we are to wait expectantly for His coming to fetch His bride. He who testifies to these things says, "Surly I am coming quickly" Amen. Even so, come, Lord Jesus! Rev 22:20 or as you say, Looking for the blessed hope and...
  3. Clayman

    Principalities, powers, the rulers of the darkness of this world

    Wait! God created Adam and it was good!! and formed Eve and it was very good!! Makes perfect sense to me, haha
  4. Clayman

    Principalities, powers, the rulers of the darkness of this world

    No, just because I believe God is sovereign and all knowing and everything is foreordained from Gods viewpoint as the bible tells us does not mean I don't believe in free will, as I already said Adam still chose wrongly. There is two sides to the coin, and we cant delude ourselves into...
  5. Clayman

    Principalities, powers, the rulers of the darkness of this world

    Thanks I enjoyed your post as so many good points, I think a point of slight difference with me would be, God intended for sin to enter the world through Adam, before the first act of creation happened it happened with the forethought of a sinful world, we can see it in animals with isolation...
  6. Clayman

    Principalities, powers, the rulers of the darkness of this world

    By all means please enlighten me, I see Satan used in scripture as a metaphor for sin, and I think others only see and wrongly interpret the figurative verses with literal applications, so maybe that could be a good start point to correct me? Ill try and explain how I see things and maybe you...
  7. Clayman

    Principalities, powers, the rulers of the darkness of this world

    Agreed Disagree, I see Satan as a type or a pattern in the New testament, like Abraham is our father for those who believe he is a pattern of faith, Satan is the father of those who do not believe. In other words the Pharisees who should have accepted Jesus and His Word like Abraham and Moses...
  8. Clayman

    Principalities, powers, the rulers of the darkness of this world

    Hehe, well I actually totally agree all commentators are fallible men and make mistakes including me, so all theology is suspect, like Spurgeon and his crazy Calvinistic bent, Spurgeon also wrote some good stuff which I get some good edification from, so Il read anything and not throw the baby...
  9. Clayman

    Principalities, powers, the rulers of the darkness of this world

    To me Sin is disobedience of Gods Word, there was only one command and one sin that could be committed in Eden, and that was Adam was not to eat of that tree, I totally agree with the concept that there was no chemical reaction with the fruit for it was the indiscretion of Gods Word that opened...
  10. Clayman

    There will be no Rapture!!!

    Thanks friend for you literally made me laugh out loud..., You are actually saying because I believe in a pre trib rapture, I could be duped one day into thinking I have gone into heaven, which is a fake heaven :eek: and received my new immortal body when I wont have ;) , and I presume come...
  11. Clayman

    Principalities, powers, the rulers of the darkness of this world

    Just in case your genuinely enquiring some people like myself have an alternate view as in regards to the principalities, powers and spiritual wickedness in high places, Demons were in the gospel accounts but they were cast out, they were swept clean from this world for a time, so our fight...
  12. Clayman

    Demon possession in the old testament?

    That is flat out false, and misleading.
  13. Clayman

    Demon possession in the old testament?

    There is no validity to these claims, it makes zero sense that so many things have accurately survived a game of Chinese whispers from Enoch down to Moses and down to people who contradict the bible who were clearly not inspired to put the book/books of enoch together in a mish mash of...
  14. Clayman

    Demon possession in the old testament?

    Exactly, which is why I have a huge dislike for the book of Enoch, Jude Quotes the man Enoch the seventh from Adam, in another words we are told so we know for sure its a direct quote from the man, there are so many discrepancies about the book of Enoch, even when it was written, it seems to be...
  15. Clayman

    Demon possession in the old testament?

    This may sound strange to some, but I see God using Satan to complete the plan, notice when Jesus said "what you do, do quickly" was after Satan entered into Judas, my first thought when reading is Jesus is commanding Satan. Similar to Matt 4 when God used Satan to show us some very insightful...
  16. Clayman

    Demon possession in the old testament?

    Interesting! Well I only have to read a few chapters in the NT and it is there in a plain explicit sense that no other context can be possible other than demonic activity is real. But and as you say I would have to read the OT over and over to maybe find a possible mention, In other words if its...
  17. Clayman

    Demon possession in the old testament?

    I was about 25 when I first got a bible and started reading it, I read the old testament first, and when I got to the new testament there were all these accounts about demons and I was flabbergasted I had no idea demons were in the bible I thought it was just myths and some strange notions like...
  18. Clayman

    Rev. 9 "angel of the Abyss"...

    I dont believe the angel falling with the key is the same angel, fallen may seem negative in English but to me it can be either eyether, the falling is simply coming down from heaven to earth, a star given a role by God to go open the bottomless pit. 1. yeah 2. yes and of the seven 3. Yes is...
  19. Clayman

    Ever wonder Why?….

    Did they not? This relates back to the OP is there a way to obtain eternal life without Jesus having to die. Is it the same tree as in the NJ? Wait is there more than one tree of life in the NJ? In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, was there the tree of life...
  20. Clayman

    Ever wonder Why?….

    I think I follow what your trying to say in the thread, but God is adamant that he did not create evil or sin, and I think we should not word it like that just because context is difficult, I think what your meaning is He did allow sin and evil to be in the world? which I would agree with. I...