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    Saved by Water

    “Beloved, if our heart does not condemn us, we have confidence before God; and whatever we ask we receive from him, because we keep his commandments and do what pleases him. And this is his commandment, that we believe in the name of his Son Jesus Christ and love one another, just as he has...
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    Saved by Water

    Several of the earliest manuscripts say “metanoia eis aphesin hamartion” or a change of mind ( repentance ) into/for forgiveness of sins. Kai or “and” appears in later manuscripts. In Luke 24 Jesus opens the minds of the apostles to understand what was written in the prophets about him. Later...
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    Saved by Water

    ““The Law and the Prophets were until John; since then the good news of the kingdom of God is preached, and everyone forces his way into it.” ‭‭Luke‬ ‭16:16‬ ‭ESV‬‬ https://bible.com/bible/59/luk.16.16.ESV “The beginning of the gospel of Jesus Christ, the Son of God. As it is written in Isaiah...
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    Saved by Water

    “Then he said to them, “These are my words that I spoke to you while I was still with you, that everything written about me in the Law of Moses and the Prophets and the Psalms must be fulfilled.” Then he opened their minds to understand the Scriptures, and said to them, “Thus it is written, that...
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    Saved by Water

    “The apostles and the elders were gathered together to consider this matter. And after there had been much debate, Peter stood up and said to them, “Brothers, you know that in the early days God made a choice among you, that by my mouth the Gentiles should hear the word of the gospel and...
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    Saved by Water

    “Everyone who believes that Jesus is the Christ has been born of God, and everyone who loves the Father loves whoever has been born of him.” ‭‭1 John‬ ‭5:1‬ ‭ESV‬‬ https://bible.com/bible/59/1jn.5.1.ESV “I write these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, that you may know...
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    Saved by Water

    T Thanks Angela. Really appreciate hearing from you on things like this.
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    Saved by Water

    “Everyone who believes that Jesus is the Christ has been born of God, and everyone who loves the Father loves whoever has been born of him.” ‭‭1 John‬ ‭5:1‬ ‭ESV‬‬ https://bible.com/bible/59/1jn.5.1.ESV This verse reinforces the position I laid out in post #138, and takes away the possibility...
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    Saved by Water

    The Greek word translated name here also means authority or cause. Immersed in the cause of the Lord Jesus. Immersed in the authority of the Lord Jesus.
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    Saved by Water

    I am generally of the natural birth belief as I laid out in post #93, but I also don’t discount the possibility of water representing the word or as a metaphor for the spirit.
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    Saved by Water

    John 3:5 in Greek ἀπεκρίθη ὁ Ἰησοῦς Ἀμὴν ἀμὴν λέγω σοι, ἐὰν μή τις γεννηθῇ ἐξ ὕδατος καὶ πνεύματος, οὐ δύναται εἰσελθεῖν εἰς τὴν βασιλείαν τοῦ θεοῦ. water and wind Two metaphors for the Spirit. It’s like referring to a wall as bricks and mortar.
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    Saved by Water

    Actually it doesn’t. In Greek these are the words: ὕδατος καὶ πνεύματος water and wind So, you could see this as two metaphors for the Spirit.
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    Saved by Water

    Please be careful making assertions like this. The word water isn’t in any version of Acts 2:38 that I have ever seen. “Kefa answered them, “Turn from sin, return to God, and each of you be immersed on the authority of Yeshua the Messiah into forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive the...
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    Saved by Water

    Respectfully, that passage doesn’t say that at all. Yes, on that day, as the passage says, they realize who he is. At that point it was too late.
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    Saved by Water

    Think about what the Greek words actually mean. Does baptizo mean to immerse in water or simply to immerse. Thayer’s lexicon says that baptizo is used with eis to indicate the medium into which immersion occurs. ”In the name“ is epi to onomati. Epi means on not in. Onomati means a name...
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    Saved by Water

    When we believe in Jesus. This is how I see it. That obviously doesn’t make it correct, but I can use scripture to explain it. “for this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.” ‭‭Matthew‬ ‭26:28‬ ‭KJV‬‬ https://bible.com/bible/1/mat.26.28.KJV In...
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    Saved by Water

    I was too. It may seem moot to us to say you have to be born in the flesh, but that is the context of the passage and Paul was inspired to discuss it at length in 1 Corinthians 15. Think about that for a second if Paul was inspired to write about that very thing, where did that inspiration...
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    Saved by Water

    It clearly is not a moot point. If it was why Paul have been inspired to write such an in depth and long explanation of it in 1 Corinthians 15.
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    Saved by Water

    If you recognize the biblical references to the water of the womb, take another look at the context of Jesus discussion with Nicodemus. “Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born?” ‭‭John‬ ‭3:4‬ ‭KJV‬‬...
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    Saved by Water

    “Now there was a man of the Pharisees named Nicodemus, a ruler of the Jews. This man came to Jesus by night and said to him, “Rabbi, we know that you are a teacher come from God, for no one can do these signs that you do unless God is with him.” Jesus answered him, “Truly, truly, I say to you...