The problem of the statement of “never saved to begin with”

You know what? I believe a person can believe they are saved and not truly be saved because they believe OSAS. I have a friend who goes out often and drinks, parties and sleeps with as many woman that will let him. I have have warned him that his walk with Jesus can not be true. He told me that he eccepted Jesus many years ago and that he is saved. He let me know that he is once saved alway saved. Now this is not something he has been doing just a few times struggling with sin in his life, this has been his life style for a long while.
Now unless you are saying my friend is saved while continuing to live like this. then he is a dead man walking and needs to repent of his life style so he can be saved. He really believes he is save because of OSAS. On the other hand if you believe my friend is saved while continuing to live this life style, then you and me believe in 2 different Jesuses.

We are saved from the penalty of sin (By grace we have been saved)
we are being saved from the power of sin, and growing in Christ. (We are being sanctified/saved)
We will be saved from the presence of sin (glorified/saved)

In reality, saints were saved, they are being saved, and they will be saved if they keep on believing.

You mean like the John 3. Which myself and others have shown you.

I don't think @Cameron143 likes this.

I added a couple clarifiers.

Did you go back to post #757 and read the lexical definition from BDAG that includes "accomplish"? I've also explained in this thread why I agree with BDAG's work on this intensified verb form.

Did you read in that same post how Merriam-Webster defines "work out" as "to bring about by labor and exertion"

As I said to @HeIsHere, the mental block on this topic is mind-boggling.

Paul said salvation, but he didn't mean salvation.

God inspired the word "salvation" but He didn't mean salvation.

God and Paul commanded a word that means "accomplish" but they didn't mean accomplish.

God and Paul commanded a word that means "work out" but this phrase doesn't mean to bring about by labor and exertion.

Extraordinary...

Obay his as obey the gospel. Recieve him. To recieve is to obey. Not in merit. But in salvation

I love it. I just don't think you understand it.

Let me ask you a question then, it we have to achieve salvation because it is not secure, why exactly did Jesus die on the cross and then return to new life?

Your first sentence surprises me. So, Salvation is a Process?

I've already answered this. Salvation takes place in a moment in time; when faith is birthed in an individual by the word of God and the Spirit of God. In this activity of God, an individual is indwelt by the Spirit who allows hearing and circumcises the heart. This activity of God precedes faith and is the impetus for it. Out of this spiritual birth comes a whole variety of responses that were not present before. You find this activity of God in Acts 2:37. Peter has preached a sermon...the word of God. For 3,000, they heard and understood, were pricked in their hearts...spiritual circumcision...and said...what shall we do? They obviously heard the message and believed it. Faith was birthed. They were saved. In faith, they consented to repent and be baptized...fruits meet for repentance lacking in the rest of the crowd. Fruit also missing in the Pharisees at John's baptism. They didn't have faith.

Spiritual birth has many similarities to natural birth. We can explore these if you like. It will help explain how salvation in sanctification continues. After that, we can look at how the consummation of our salvation...when the promised glorified body is given and the eternal state is ushered in.

Let me ask you a question then, it we have to achieve salvation because it is not secure

One does not need to dive into the Greek to understand clear cut passages. Sometimes it helps and can be quite beneficial, but on clear cut passages like Gal. 5:3-4, it’s pretty plain. It refutes the false doctrine of OSAS (the impossibility of apostasy), but as always, people want to say it doesn’t mean what it says and it doesn’t mean what it means. As stated in John 8:32, we shall know the truth, can prove all things (1 Thess. 5:21; 1 Peter 3:15). Jesus expected people to understand Him (Mk. 7:14). Regular people can accomplish this (2 Timothy 3:16,17; Acts 17:11; Ephesians 5:17). The Bible was written for fishermen, farmers, tent makers, and the poor to be able to understand.

A lot of times, people who go to the original language to prove something ends up proving something that cannot be proven in the scriptures. Or, they use a word or meaning of one that gives a different “spin” on what the original meaning has. In other words, their goal was to establish what cannot be found in the English texts. Any practice that can only be verified by studying the original Greek should be immediately suspect.

Without learning Greek or Hebrew, the average individual can learn the meaning of Bible words in three different ways: (1) Context, (2) Translations, and (3) Additional passages.

Romans 5:20-21 clearly states that God's grace reigns through righteousness. Righteousness is in the saving message of Christ— the gospel, clearly stated in Romans 1:16-17. As a result, falling from grace (Gal. 5:3-4) entails losing access to the gospel's sin-cleansing blessings! In other words, all individuals who attempted to revert to the weak and beggarly features of apostate Judaism (Galatians 4:9), although having been baptized into Christ (Galatians 3:26-29), had ceased to walk in the light and began to walk in darkness (1 John 1:5-10). They needed to repent and pray (Acts 8:22). The erring brethren of the church in Galatia or elsewhere could return at any time, but they had to do so in the manner prescribed by God in the gospel.

They get what they deserve. Justice. I answered a similar question and Paul touched on it in Romans 9. Then you will say why have you made me like this? Who can go against his will? And Paul replied who are you to question God?
God is a just God. Everyone gets what they deserve according to Him and his will. I mean, he is the creator of ALL things. He can do whatever he wants.

there's never a problem with the statement : "never saved to begin with". it's people that make it a problem for themselves by not understanding what it means. OSAS is totally true, past present future. we can backslide but never lose salvation. that simple.

Oh, there very much is indeed a problem for saying that. A big problem. It actually proves OSAS (the impossibility of apostasy) to be totally false, past, present and future. And gives it absolutely no security. The only reason people who believe in OSAS say “never truly saved”…is because they have to say that…when they discover someone who they knew to be a Christian departed from the faith…instead of believing the truth..they will simply say “well, he/she was just never saved to begin with.”

If they got saved biblically, they were saved, yet when they depart, they were never saved…that makes no sense. The sad reality in OSAS is the one who was said to be saved can depart from the faith and prove he/she was never saved in the first place. To be consistent, no one who believes in OSAS would say anyone is saved.

If our salvation is not entirely Gods will then Gods plan of salvation for the world could have failed.
I guess God would have to hang his head and kick rocks if Judas decided he was not going to betray Christ. Christ said that it would have been better if Judas would have never been born than betray the Son of Man. Did Judas have a choice? No, he was the chosen one to fulfill the will of God.
That being said, then God would be a respecter of persons if any person through man’s entire existence had the ability to choose a choice that would go against, or alter the will of God. It would be unfair to Judas. And God is not a respecter of persons.

Everyone’s name that is written in the book of life is going to Gods party. That book is sealed until gods plans for redemption is complete. There will be no fresh ink or erase marks. Why? Because it’s the divine will of God.

Before Adam. Before Christ, before creation, before gods plan of salvation for the world, first and foremost is the Glory of God. Why does he wash away sins? For HIS namesake. God is not going to entrust his glory in the hands of a finite, sinful, self centered being. What he divinely declares will be done, and he has declared me sinless in Christ, and has given me eternal life, and what does that manifest? GLORY, GLORY, GLORY to the most awesome dad ever!!! I don’t think there’s much glory being an indian giver.

GOD HAS MADE ALL THINGS FOR HIMSELF, YEA, EVEN THE WICKED FOR THE DAY OF EVIL (Prov 16:4)

I can’t figure out any other rational way to look at it.

Oh, there very much is indeed a problem for saying that. A big problem. It actually proves OSAS (the impossibility of apostasy) to be totally false, past, present and future. And gives it absolutely no security. The only reason people who believe in OSAS say “never truly saved”…is because they have to say that…when they discover someone who they knew to be a Christian departed from the faith…instead of believing the truth..they will simply say “well, he/she was just never saved to begin with.”

If they got saved biblically, they were saved, yet when they depart, they were never saved…that makes no sense. The sad reality in OSAS is the one who was said to be saved can depart from the faith and prove he/she was never saved in the first place. To be consistent, no one who believes in OSAS would say anyone is saved.

Oh, there very much is indeed a problem for saying that. A big problem. It actually proves OSAS (the impossibility of apostasy) to be totally false, past, present and future. And gives it absolutely no security. The only reason people who believe in OSAS say “never truly saved”…is because they have to say that…when they discover someone who they knew to be a Christian departed from the faith…instead of believing the truth..they will simply say “well, he/she was just never saved to begin with.”

If they got saved biblically, they were saved, yet when they depart, they were never saved…that makes no sense. The sad reality in OSAS is the one who was said to be saved can depart from the faith and prove he/she was never saved in the first place. To be consistent, no one who believes in OSAS would say anyone is saved.