Understanding God’s election

Isn't "redemption" language of soteriology? Did God redeem both the Hebrews and the Egyptians when He "came down" to "rescue" his firstborn?

Calvinism asserts that one cannot believe positively and respond positively until he first receives the Spirit’s operation; after that experience, he then believes.

I appreciate you taking the time to answer, but I'm not asking because I don't know the answers. I'm asking to provoke thought or understand a position someone holds better.

I appreciate you taking the time to answer, but I'm not asking because I don't know the answers. I'm asking to provoke thought or understand a position someone holds better.

Lol once you hear the theory brother it’s up to you , you tell me do you believe I see actual pigs actually flying around my yard at noon every day ?

The notion that the Spirit must operate upon a person in a supernatural fashion, before he can believe, has neither the support of these texts, nor biblical instruction elsewhere.

The Spirit of God operates through the power of the gospel to bring one to faith in Christ (Rom. 1:16).

This is sufficient for one who will give it an honest hearing.
(Wayne Jackson)

right the fallen natire is why we all need to accept the gospel so we can be restored to Gods children

I did give it. You didn't accept it.

The notion that the Spirit must operate upon a person in a supernatural fashion, before he can believe, has neither the support of these texts, nor biblical instruction elsewhere.

The Spirit of God operates through the power of the gospel to bring one to faith in Christ (Rom. 1:16).

This is sufficient for one who will give it an honest hearing.
(Wayne Jackson)

right the fallen natire is why we all need to accept the gospel so we can be restored to Gods children we aren’t restored secretly and then we believe I agree

The notion that the Spirit must operate upon a person in a supernatural fashion, before he can believe, has neither the support of these texts, nor biblical instruction elsewhere.

The Spirit of God operates through the power of the gospel to bring one to faith in Christ (Rom. 1:16).

This is sufficient for one who will give it an honest hearing.
(Wayne Jackson)

right the fallen natire is why we all need to accept the gospel so we can be saved from it and restored to Gods children . we aren’t restored secretly and then we believe I agree

I did give it. You didn't accept it.
I gave it. You objected to it.

Isn't "redemption" language of soteriology? Did God redeem both the Hebrews and the Egyptians when He "came down" to "rescue" his firstborn?

Yes it’s just like any philosophy or faith . Only the gospel is true and actually is of God and is filled with life and salvation

Spoken by someone who still has refused to give their definition of free will. :^)
No, you merely said "Ok. Thanks for the conversation." (in #4,651)

I did give a definition. You just didn't like it.

“He [Christ] came unto his own, and his own received him not. But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: Which were born not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God” (KJV).

Here the “power” to become sons of God is given only to those who already believe.

Nor can the relationship be achieved by means of any plan that might be devised by the “will of man" meaning >>> man was not in a position to devise the plan, only God could do that.
Rather, it is by means of a spiritual “birth” that such is accomplished and to experience the spiritual birth the call is to believe in the work of Christ Jesus on our behalf.

Every single Calvinist proof text offers no support for the dogma under contextual inspection.

“He [Christ] came unto his own, and his own received him not. But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: Which were born not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God” (KJV).

Here the “power” to become sons of God is given only to those who already believe.

Nor can the relationship be achieved by means of any plan that might be devised by the “will of man" meaning >>> man was not in a position to devise the plan, only God could do that.
Rather, it is by means of a spiritual “birth” that such is accomplished and to experience the spiritual birth the call is to believe in the work of Christ Jesus on our behalf.

Every single Calvinist proof text offers no support for this dogma under contextual inspection.

I did give a definition. You just didn't like it.
No. I gave my definition. Ask @keepingitreal.