the Sabbath

I don't worry about the way someone addresses me. You aren't wrong to let it be known, but seldom do people change their style. Usually they engage, then fortify their position, then denigrate.

Is it edifying? No. But I do find it helpful to understand human behavior.

I guess I have to say the same back to you. I don’t know if you realize this or not but our opinions are not the same as scripture. The scripture clearly says otherwise and all you have offered is your opinion against the scriptures. So be it. All gets sorted out soon enough. Take care

No. You are supposed to say, please believe my interpretation of Scripture. Or else...

Everyone already knows this. Why prove something universally understood? Shall I prove to you that Jesus resurrected even though you already know that?

No not everyone knows this far from it, but I am glad you do know the covenant both old and new refer to the 10 commandments.

You are correct in that the word “sabbath” means “rest”. Hebrews 4:9 says the people of God (us) have a “rest” too, and it is heaven where we cease from our work. But there is no command for New Testament Christians to keep the seventh day holy. Think about it—the command to keep the seventh day holy was given ONLY to the Jews. It was part of Judaism. We are gentiles. God never commanded us to “keep the sabbath”. You don’t find any gentiles in the old or new testament who kept the sabbath unless they were proselytes who had CONVERTED to the Judaism religion. Where was a command ever given to gentiles to keep the seventh day holy?? I’m a gentile—I want to see the scripture where God tells me to keep the sabbath day holy.

When Christ brought His new law of faith into force, There was a new day—not the old Jewish sabbath—that was part of His new church which did not exist in the Old Testament. It was the day Jesus rose from the dead, it was called the Lord’s day in Revelation 1:10. It was the day Jesus commanded the churches to take up their “church collections.” Which implies that the church congregations met on that day. And that is exactly what we see in Acts 20:7. “ On the FIRST DAY OF THE WEEK, the disciples came together to break bread ( Lord’s supper), and Paul preached to them. This woujd have been the time when they took up the collection according to 1 Cor. 16:1-2. “NOW concerning the collection for the saints, as I have given orders to the churches of Galatia, so YOU MUST DO also. On THE FIRST DAY OF THE WEEK let each one of you lay something aside…as he has prospered.” No commandment for Christian’s in the new church of Christ to give a “tenth.” Just give as God has prospered you. God puts us on the “honor system.” Since the old Jewish law was ONLY fir Jews—not gentiles, there had to be a new law that was for all Christian’s—Jew and gentile alike. Hebrews 7:12 says there has been a “CHANGE IN THE LAW.” Hebrews 10:9 says Christ TOOK AWAY the FIRST (law—Jewish) so that He may ESTABLISH the SECOND (law of Christ). We must learn to “rightly DIVIDE the word of truth.” 2 Tim 2:15.

This will probably fall on deaf ears, but hopefully someone will find this helpful.

Hebrews 4 is a difficult passage to understand and not one that can be read lightly, or believed by what some pastor says because they do not keep the Sabbath commandment. It is actually teaching the opposite of what most people teach.

God's covenant was ratified at the death of Christ. Nothing could be added or changed to His covenant. The Sabbath rest- was still kept according to the commandment Luke 23:56 so didn't change when Hebrews was written decades later.

There are two rests being discussed not one - the rest we enter in Christ through faith and the Sabbath rest, which is according to the commandment that God said was on the seventh day Exo 20:10

To see these two rests, it is shown explicitly in verse 10 which should help with the other verses and one must understand the story of Joshua before entering into Canaan and what David wrote in Psa 95:7-11 which is a quote verbatim.

Hebrews 4:10 For he who has entered His rest has himself also ceased from his works as God did from His.

To enter in Christ rest one ALSO ceases from his works as God did from His.

When did God cease from His works? This very passage tells us

Heb 4:4 For He has spoken in a certain place of the seventh day in this way: “And God rested on the seventh day from all His works”;

It truly cannot be made any plainer- to enter His rest one ALSO rests on the seventh day just as God did, for our example.

This passage is bringing us to Mt Sinai when God spoke of the seventh day in this way. Remember the Sabbath day to keep it holy. The seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord thy God. These are God's spoken and written work that cannot be edited in any way, because no one is above God.

Which is why v9 says

Heb 4:9 There remains, then, a Sabbath-rest for the people of God;

The rest in this verse literally translates into Sabbath-keeping

Strong's Concordance
sabbatismos: a sabbath rest
Original Word: σαββατισμός, οῦ, ὁ
Part of Speech: Noun, Masculine
Transliteration: sabbatismos
Phonetic Spelling: (sab-bat-is-mos')
Definition: a sabbath rest
Usage: a keeping of the Sabbath, a Sabbath rest.

The passage goes on to warn us of following the same disobedience as some of the Israelites who many did not enter their rest into the promise land Heb 4:6, 11 and many also defiled the Sabbath Eze 20:21 Ezo 20:13 we should not follow that same path of disobedience so we can enter into our promise land which is heaven.

The author of Hebrews is not changing God's Sabbath commandment. No one can reverse God's blessing but God Num 23:20 and God said He would not Psa 89:34 Mat 5:18 because man needs God's sanctification Eze 20:12 and so we know we are worshipping the God of Creation Eze 20:20 Exo 20:11 the One True God, the only God who can create heaven and earth and the Sabbath is connected to God and to Creation, which is why the devil hates the Sabbath so much and has tried to deceive so many, just as we were told Dan 7:25.

I have an old book from the late 1800’s called “The Gospel of The Redman.” It was written by an anthropologist from England who interviewed many older Native Americans from various tribes. He wanted to understand their view of God, their religion. One old Indian related a story of when he encountered a Missionary Pastor.

The pastor stopped the old Indian as he drove his horse-drawn wagon through town. The Preacher berated the old man and told him that this was the Lord’s Day, and that he should not be doing any work, but instead should be worshipping God on this day. The old Indian thought for a moment, then replied. “Oh, me see. You worship God on this day, me worship God every day.”

Do we worship God by breaking His commandments? Not according to Jesus Mat 15:3-14

We should worship God 365 24/7 but that also means keeping His commandments, His version.

You are correct in that the word “sabbath” means “rest”. Hebrews 4:9 says the people of God (us) have a “rest” too, and it is heaven where we cease from our work. But there is no command for New Testament Christians to keep the seventh day holy. Think about it—the command to keep the seventh day holy was given ONLY to the Jews. It was part of Judaism. We are gentiles. God never commanded us to “keep the sabbath”. You don’t find any gentiles in the old or new testament who kept the sabbath unless they were proselytes who had CONVERTED to the Judaism religion. Where was a command ever given to gentiles to keep the seventh day holy?? I’m a gentile—I want to see the scripture where God tells me to keep the sabbath day holy.

When Christ brought His new law of faith into force, There was a new day—not the old Jewish sabbath—that was part of His new church which did not exist in the Old Testament. It was the day Jesus rose from the dead, it was called the Lord’s day in Revelation 1:10. It was the day Jesus commanded the churches to take up their “church collections.” Which implies that the church congregations met on that day. And that is exactly what we see in Acts 20:7. “ On the FIRST DAY OF THE WEEK, the disciples came together to break bread ( Lord’s supper), and Paul preached to them. This woujd have been the time when they took up the collection according to 1 Cor. 16:1-2. “NOW concerning the collection for the saints, as I have given orders to the churches of Galatia, so YOU MUST DO also. On THE FIRST DAY OF THE WEEK let each one of you lay something aside…as he has prospered.” No commandment for Christian’s in the new church of Christ to give a “tenth.” Just give as God has prospered you. God puts us on the “honor system.” Since the old Jewish law was ONLY fir Jews—not gentiles, there had to be a new law that was for all Christian’s—Jew and gentile alike. Hebrews 7:12 says there has been a “CHANGE IN THE LAW.” Hebrews 10:9 says Christ TOOK AWAY the FIRST (law—Jewish) so that He may ESTABLISH the SECOND (law of Christ). We must learn to “rightly DIVIDE the word of truth.” 2 Tim 2:15.

Commandments. You know that you are fighting against God’s Grace when you try and tell people they must be perfect. Because last time I looked, if one breaks even the least of these commandments, they are guilty of breaking them all.

God's grace allows us to worship other gods, or vain His holy name, or bow to false idols, break His holy Sabbath day, covet. steal and break the least of these commandments?

Sorry you seem to have some misunderstandings of God's grace, it is not so we can continue in sin that path leads one in the wrong direction Rom 6:16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?

Romans 6:1 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin that grace may abound? 2 Certainly not! How shall we who died to sin live any longer in it? 3 Or do you not know that as many of us as were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into His death? 4 Therefore we were buried with Him through baptism into death, that just as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.

We receive God's grace when we have a sorry heart for sinning and breaking His law. When we go to Him and repent and ask for His forgiveness and ask for His help in forsaking our sins Pro 28:13 1 John 1:9 and when He forgives us that is receiving His grace but what does Jesus do when He forgives- He says GO AND SIN NO MORE- He puts us right back under the law. If you love Me, Keep My commandments John 14:15 Exo 20:6

Are you saying that you do not sin?

I am saying that those in Christ should not be living in perpetual sin. Sin should be painful to us by the conviction of the Holy Spirit if we have not harden our heart to what rebellion and sin is Heb 3:7-8 and for what it did to Jesus. We all sin, and when we do, we need to come to Christ immediately to repent and ask for His help in overcoming. While we can't obey on our own, we can through the power of Jesus Christ John 14:15-18

What is dangerous is not even allowing God to be God to define His holy and righteous law, which He did, He wrote it with His own finger and its perfect for converting the soul Psa 19:7 because God is perfect and it would be impossible for Him to write an imperfect law.

When we refuse to subject ourselves to Gods law, we are really an enmity to God

Rom 8:7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God; for it is not subject to the law of God, nor indeed can be. 8 So then, those who are in the flesh cannot please God.

So its best to allow God be God and obey Him through faith and love. If we struggle with sin ask for His help, its a promise in scripture He will. If we slip and fall we have an Advocate in Jesus Christ who we can go to directly when are sorry and repent. But scripture says not only must we confess our sins, we need to forsake them Pro 28:13 and while we can't do that in our own strength we can through Jesus Phil 4:13 John 14:15-18

So, you assume everyone who disagrees with your position on the Sabbath is wrong and in perpetual sin?

I am an advocate on what Jesus says is sin, what I say means nothing

1 John 3:4 Whoever commits sin also commits lawlessness, and sin is lawlessness.

James 2:10 For whoever shall keep the whole law, and yet stumble in one point, he is guilty of all. For He who said, “Do not commit adultery,” also said, “Do not murder.” Now if you do not commit adultery, but you do murder, you have become a transgressor of the law
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James is only quoting and contrasting from the Ten Commandments, breaking one we break them all and in doing so one becomes a transgressor of the law which is sin

Rom 7:7 7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? Certainly not! On the contrary, I would not have known sin except through the law. For I would not have known covetousness unless the law had said, “You shall not covet.”
Again quoting directly from the Ten Commandments as to the law that defines sin.

Jesus quotes directly from the Ten Commandments telling us not to break or teach others to break the least of these as one would be in sin and fear of Judgement Mat 5:19-30

The Ten Commandments came in a unit of Ten Deut 4:13 Exo 34:28, not nine despite popular teachings of man.

I will

I appreciate your concern for sin. But pointing out how everyone who doesn’t believe as you is bound for hell, seems like a one-side sermon. I love sharing how Jesus came not for the righteous, but the sinner, in order that they may become His children. Sanctification can take some time, and not everyone learns at the same rate. I try to instill hope through repentance and prayer. I’m surely not perfect and have never met anyone that doesn’t make mistakes. Luckily God is a God of second a third, and …….., chances.

There is a difference in slipping and falling and asking for God's forgiveness which I agree He is so faithful to forgive us, but another to be in complete rebellion to God's law. At least that's what the scriptures indicate Heb 8:7-8

Would you make this same argument with someone who was worshipping a golden calf as their god? According to God, there is no difference, between that and profaning the Sabbath.

Jesus in His own Words said this is Who we are profaning when we don't keep His Sabbath, which He in His own Words called it My holy day, the holy day of the Lord Isa 58:13

Eze 22:26 Her priests have [a]violated My law and profaned My holy things; they have not distinguished between the holy and unholy, nor have they made known the difference between the unclean and the clean; and they have hidden their eyes from My Sabbaths, so that I am profaned among them.

Instead of arguing against keeping the Sabbath commandment Jesus said was made for us, to bless and sanctify since man can't sanctify ourselves Isa 66:17, we need God Eze 20:12 I personally would try to look for ways to keep the Sabbath day holy from the example of Jesus and the apostles. We are given free will through.
Do you employ all the details of Sabbath Keeping that are in the OT? If not, how do you keep the Sabbath? Do you rest all day? I am fortunate that I am retired and can worship God very day.