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You are correct in that the word “sabbath” means “rest”. Hebrews 4:9 says the people of God (us) have a “rest” too, and it is heaven where we cease from our work. But there is no command for New Testament Christians to keep the seventh day holy. Think about it—the command to keep the seventh day holy was given ONLY to the Jews. It was part of Judaism. We are gentiles. God never commanded us to “keep the sabbath”. You don’t find any gentiles in the old or new testament who kept the sabbath unless they were proselytes who had CONVERTED to the Judaism religion. Where was a command ever given to gentiles to keep the seventh day holy?? I’m a gentile—I want to see the scripture where God tells me to keep the sabbath day holy.
When Christ brought His new law of faith into force, There was a new day—not the old Jewish sabbath—that was part of His new church which did not exist in the Old Testament. It was the day Jesus rose from the dead, it was called the Lord’s day in Revelation 1:10. It was the day Jesus commanded the churches to take up their “church collections.” Which implies that the church congregations met on that day. And that is exactly what we see in Acts 20:7. “ On the FIRST DAY OF THE WEEK, the disciples came together to break bread ( Lord’s supper), and Paul preached to them. This woujd have been the time when they took up the collection according to 1 Cor. 16:1-2. “NOW concerning the collection for the saints, as I have given orders to the churches of Galatia, so YOU MUST DO also. On THE FIRST DAY OF THE WEEK let each one of you lay something aside…as he has prospered.” No commandment for Christian’s in the new church of Christ to give a “tenth.” Just give as God has prospered you. God puts us on the “honor system.” Since the old Jewish law was ONLY fir Jews—not gentiles, there had to be a new law that was for all Christian’s—Jew and gentile alike. Hebrews 7:12 says there has been a “CHANGE IN THE LAW.” Hebrews 10:9 says Christ TOOK AWAY the FIRST (law—Jewish) so that He may ESTABLISH the SECOND (law of Christ). We must learn to “rightly DIVIDE the word of truth.” 2 Tim 2:15.
When Christ brought His new law of faith into force, There was a new day—not the old Jewish sabbath—that was part of His new church which did not exist in the Old Testament. It was the day Jesus rose from the dead, it was called the Lord’s day in Revelation 1:10. It was the day Jesus commanded the churches to take up their “church collections.” Which implies that the church congregations met on that day. And that is exactly what we see in Acts 20:7. “ On the FIRST DAY OF THE WEEK, the disciples came together to break bread ( Lord’s supper), and Paul preached to them. This woujd have been the time when they took up the collection according to 1 Cor. 16:1-2. “NOW concerning the collection for the saints, as I have given orders to the churches of Galatia, so YOU MUST DO also. On THE FIRST DAY OF THE WEEK let each one of you lay something aside…as he has prospered.” No commandment for Christian’s in the new church of Christ to give a “tenth.” Just give as God has prospered you. God puts us on the “honor system.” Since the old Jewish law was ONLY fir Jews—not gentiles, there had to be a new law that was for all Christian’s—Jew and gentile alike. Hebrews 7:12 says there has been a “CHANGE IN THE LAW.” Hebrews 10:9 says Christ TOOK AWAY the FIRST (law—Jewish) so that He may ESTABLISH the SECOND (law of Christ). We must learn to “rightly DIVIDE the word of truth.” 2 Tim 2:15.
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The commandment says we are to rest from our works, so we can keep the Sabbath day holy Exo 20:8 The seventh day is the Sabbath Exo 20:10 thus saith the Lord. Its why almost all ancient languages Saturday means Sabbath.
There is no explicit commandment in the NT to not vain God's holy name, does that mean those in Christ should do so. I am not familiar with the passage that if one of the commandments is not repeated that it somehow means we can profane that commandment because my understanding is God in the OT is the same God in the NT and He changes not.
That said, of course the commandment to keep the Sabbath day holy is in the New Covenant. Hence why the Sabbath- which is the only day God gave a number and named it, is all throughout the New Testament. That alone is proof enough the Sabbath commandment didn't disappear.
That said the Sabbath was still a commandment after the Cross and the Sabbath rest is still according to the commandment
Luke 23:56 Then they returned and prepared spices and fragrant oils. And they rested on the Sabbath according to the commandment.
Kept by God's people Heb 4:9 There remains, then, a Sabbath-rest for the people of God;
The Sabbath rest is according to the commandment Luke 23:56 and God said in the commandment the Sabbath is the seventh day Exo 20:10. Who are we to redefine what God defined so clearly, because we are not God.
While the apostles did come together to break bread on day 1, which means to have a meal which they did every day Acts 2:26 but that doesn't mean every day is now a new day of worship, a new Sabbath or a new commandment, we would need a Text to make that happen and a thus saith the Lord since only He can remove His blessing Num 23:20. The apostles were not commissioned to change something that was written by the finger of God they were commissioned to preach the gospel and to observe everything Jesus commanded. In fact God said He would not alter the words of His covenant Psa 89:34 and not a jot or tittle could be changed Mat 5:18 and the apostles were servants of Christ, they didn't rebel against God's law. They faithfully observed every Sabbath Acts 15:21 Acts 18:4 just as Jesus commanded them preaching to both Jews and Gentiles Acts 13:42 Acts 13:44 Acts 18:4 because everyone needs God's sanctification Eze 20:12 because man cannot sanctify themselves we need God. Only God can sanctify a day Gen 2:1-3 only God can sanctify man Eze 20:12 hence why the Sabbath was made for human-beings Mark 2:27 and for everyone Isa 56:1-6 thus saith the Lord and God's people keep God's commandments Rev 14:12 through love and faith 1 John 5:3 John 14:15 Exo 20:6
There is no explicit commandment in the NT to not vain God's holy name, does that mean those in Christ should do so. I am not familiar with the passage that if one of the commandments is not repeated that it somehow means we can profane that commandment because my understanding is God in the OT is the same God in the NT and He changes not.
That said, of course the commandment to keep the Sabbath day holy is in the New Covenant. Hence why the Sabbath- which is the only day God gave a number and named it, is all throughout the New Testament. That alone is proof enough the Sabbath commandment didn't disappear.
That said the Sabbath was still a commandment after the Cross and the Sabbath rest is still according to the commandment
Luke 23:56 Then they returned and prepared spices and fragrant oils. And they rested on the Sabbath according to the commandment.
Kept by God's people Heb 4:9 There remains, then, a Sabbath-rest for the people of God;
The Sabbath rest is according to the commandment Luke 23:56 and God said in the commandment the Sabbath is the seventh day Exo 20:10. Who are we to redefine what God defined so clearly, because we are not God.
While the apostles did come together to break bread on day 1, which means to have a meal which they did every day Acts 2:26 but that doesn't mean every day is now a new day of worship, a new Sabbath or a new commandment, we would need a Text to make that happen and a thus saith the Lord since only He can remove His blessing Num 23:20. The apostles were not commissioned to change something that was written by the finger of God they were commissioned to preach the gospel and to observe everything Jesus commanded. In fact God said He would not alter the words of His covenant Psa 89:34 and not a jot or tittle could be changed Mat 5:18 and the apostles were servants of Christ, they didn't rebel against God's law. They faithfully observed every Sabbath Acts 15:21 Acts 18:4 just as Jesus commanded them preaching to both Jews and Gentiles Acts 13:42 Acts 13:44 Acts 18:4 because everyone needs God's sanctification Eze 20:12 because man cannot sanctify themselves we need God. Only God can sanctify a day Gen 2:1-3 only God can sanctify man Eze 20:12 hence why the Sabbath was made for human-beings Mark 2:27 and for everyone Isa 56:1-6 thus saith the Lord and God's people keep God's commandments Rev 14:12 through love and faith 1 John 5:3 John 14:15 Exo 20:6
Law of Moses vs the Ten Commandments i.e. the commandments of God. Exo 20:6
Gal 3:19 What purpose then does the law serve? It was added because of transgressions, till the Seed should come (see Heb 9:10-11, Hebrews 10:1-10) to whom the promise was made; and it was appointed through angels by the hand of a mediator.
Romans 4:15 because the law brings about wrath; for where there is no law there is no transgression.
There is a law that is perfect converting the soul
Psa 19:7 The law of the Lord is perfect, converting the soul; The testimony of the Lord is sure, making wise the simple;
There is a law that is contrary and against
Col 2:14 having wiped out the [a]handwriting of requirements that was against us, which was contrary to us. And He has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross.
These verses clearly show there are two sets of laws not one.
Does the scriptures define these two sets of laws?
Yes, they do if we allow the scriptures to define Itself.
God only numbered one set of laws- that were written personally by His finger Exo 31:18
Exo 34:28 So he was there with the Lord forty days and forty nights; he neither ate bread nor drank water. And He wrote on the tablets the words of the covenant, the Ten Commandments.
Deut 4:13 So He (God) declared to you His covenant which He (God) commanded you to perform, the Ten Commandments; and He (God) wrote them on two tablets of stone.
Deut 5: 22 “These words the Lord spoke to all your assembly, in the mountain from the midst of the fire, the cloud, and the thick darkness, with a loud voice; and He added no more. And He wrote them on two tablets of stone and gave them to me.
After God finished speaking the Ten Commandments He added no more and He wrote them on stone for its eternal nature, they are a standalone unit and He promised the words of the covenant He would not alter Psa 89:34 Mat 5:18 why the New Covenant is established on better promises Heb 8:6 from tables of stone to tablets of the heart now with the power of Jesus Christ enabling us to keep through our love and faith.
Only the Ten Commandments was placed INSIDE the ark of the Covenant.
So what was different about God’s Ten Commandments and the other law?
Deut 31:24: So it was, when Moses had completed writing the words of this law in a book, when they were finished, 25 that Moses commanded the Levites, who bore the ark of the covenant of the Lord, saying: 26 “Take this Book of the Law, and put it beside the ark of the covenant of the Lord your God, that it may be there as a witness against you;
We clearly see these are two completely different sets of laws.
The Ten Commandments vs the law of Moses
Written by the finger of God Exo 31:18 handwritten by Moses Deut 31:24
Was placed inside the ark Exo 40:20 was placed outside Deut 31:26
Defines was sin is Rom 7:7 1 John 3:4 James 2:10-12 was added because of sin Gal 3:19
Is perfect for converting the soul Psa 19:7 Was contrary and against Deut 31:26 Col 2:14
Will be judged by James 2:10-12 Mat 5:19-30 Rev 22:14-15 Judges no one Col 2:14-16
Perfect Psa 19:7 Made nothing perfect Heb 7:19
If we have a good understanding of these two sets of laws and understand the law that is blessed and made holy by God never turns into the law that is contrary and against we can better understand Paul when he often just uses the word law. Through careful study and evaluating context, we can better understand Paul. We are told his scripture is easily twisted why its so imprtant to have a good understanding of the laws and carefully read the context.
The Ten Commandments started way before it was written by God on Mt Sinai. Where there is no law there is no transgression. Was it a sin for Cain to murder Abel. God said it was, therefore, God’s law existed because that’s where we find thou shalt not murder in the Ten Commandments, where God placed in a unit of Ten breaking one we break them all James 2:10-12
The Ten Commandments are all throughout the whole bible because God’s people keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus. Rev 14:12 even if they don't always make sense to us, but His ways are above our ways and He knows what is perfect for us converting our soul.
Gal 3:19 What purpose then does the law serve? It was added because of transgressions, till the Seed should come (see Heb 9:10-11, Hebrews 10:1-10) to whom the promise was made; and it was appointed through angels by the hand of a mediator.
Romans 4:15 because the law brings about wrath; for where there is no law there is no transgression.
There is a law that is perfect converting the soul
Psa 19:7 The law of the Lord is perfect, converting the soul; The testimony of the Lord is sure, making wise the simple;
There is a law that is contrary and against
Col 2:14 having wiped out the [a]handwriting of requirements that was against us, which was contrary to us. And He has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross.
These verses clearly show there are two sets of laws not one.
Does the scriptures define these two sets of laws?
Yes, they do if we allow the scriptures to define Itself.
God only numbered one set of laws- that were written personally by His finger Exo 31:18
Exo 34:28 So he was there with the Lord forty days and forty nights; he neither ate bread nor drank water. And He wrote on the tablets the words of the covenant, the Ten Commandments.
Deut 4:13 So He (God) declared to you His covenant which He (God) commanded you to perform, the Ten Commandments; and He (God) wrote them on two tablets of stone.
Deut 5: 22 “These words the Lord spoke to all your assembly, in the mountain from the midst of the fire, the cloud, and the thick darkness, with a loud voice; and He added no more. And He wrote them on two tablets of stone and gave them to me.
After God finished speaking the Ten Commandments He added no more and He wrote them on stone for its eternal nature, they are a standalone unit and He promised the words of the covenant He would not alter Psa 89:34 Mat 5:18 why the New Covenant is established on better promises Heb 8:6 from tables of stone to tablets of the heart now with the power of Jesus Christ enabling us to keep through our love and faith.
Only the Ten Commandments was placed INSIDE the ark of the Covenant.
So what was different about God’s Ten Commandments and the other law?
Deut 31:24: So it was, when Moses had completed writing the words of this law in a book, when they were finished, 25 that Moses commanded the Levites, who bore the ark of the covenant of the Lord, saying: 26 “Take this Book of the Law, and put it beside the ark of the covenant of the Lord your God, that it may be there as a witness against you;
We clearly see these are two completely different sets of laws.
The Ten Commandments vs the law of Moses
Written by the finger of God Exo 31:18 handwritten by Moses Deut 31:24
Was placed inside the ark Exo 40:20 was placed outside Deut 31:26
Defines was sin is Rom 7:7 1 John 3:4 James 2:10-12 was added because of sin Gal 3:19
Is perfect for converting the soul Psa 19:7 Was contrary and against Deut 31:26 Col 2:14
Will be judged by James 2:10-12 Mat 5:19-30 Rev 22:14-15 Judges no one Col 2:14-16
Perfect Psa 19:7 Made nothing perfect Heb 7:19
If we have a good understanding of these two sets of laws and understand the law that is blessed and made holy by God never turns into the law that is contrary and against we can better understand Paul when he often just uses the word law. Through careful study and evaluating context, we can better understand Paul. We are told his scripture is easily twisted why its so imprtant to have a good understanding of the laws and carefully read the context.
The Ten Commandments started way before it was written by God on Mt Sinai. Where there is no law there is no transgression. Was it a sin for Cain to murder Abel. God said it was, therefore, God’s law existed because that’s where we find thou shalt not murder in the Ten Commandments, where God placed in a unit of Ten breaking one we break them all James 2:10-12
The Ten Commandments are all throughout the whole bible because God’s people keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus. Rev 14:12 even if they don't always make sense to us, but His ways are above our ways and He knows what is perfect for us converting our soul.
I am sorry you do not want to believe scripture, it was plainly written. So you know the ark of the covenant contains the 2 tablets of stone, on them, the written covenant, that is the 10 commandments. It is why it is called the ark of the covenant. the rest of the law of Moses was put outside the ark. These were added for the israelites at that time, the 10 commandments also called the moral law was different, permanent, will never pass away. this is what all scripture says, it is not my opinion but from scripture. research this for yorself and see.
Blessings.
Blessings.
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Would telling you that you need to start believing scripture help you though? If not, why do you think it's ok for you to say it to anyone else?
Obviously we understand scripture in different ways so insulting the other person isn't helpful. All we can do is share scripture and how we understand it and hope the other considers it. Insults do not help at all but they are very very popular aren't they?
Obviously we understand scripture in different ways so insulting the other person isn't helpful. All we can do is share scripture and how we understand it and hope the other considers it. Insults do not help at all but they are very very popular aren't they?
EWQ, here are the verses that say the 10 commandments were put in the ARK OF THE COVENANT
Exodus 25:16:
"And you shall put into the ark the testimony which I will give you." ->here testimony and covenant are interchangeable.
Exodus 34:29-30:
"Now it was, when Moses came down from Mount Sinai with the two tablets of the testimony in Moses' hand, when he came down from the mountain, that Moses did not know that the skin of his face shone while he talked with Him."
Deuteronomy 10:1-2:
"At that time the Lord said to me, 'Hew for yourself two tablets of stone like the first ones, and come up to Me on the mountain; and make yourself an ark of wood. And I will write on the tablets the words that were on the first tablets, which you broke, and you shall put them in the ark.'"
Deuteronomy 10:5:
"And I turned and came down from the mountain, and put the tablets in the ark which I had made; and there they are, just as the Lord commanded me."
Now for the law of Moses;
Deuteronomy 31:24-26:
"And it came to pass, when Moses had made an end of writing the words of this law in a book, until they were finished, That Moses commanded the Levites, which bare the ark of the covenant of the Lord, saying, Take this book of the law, and put it in the side of the ark of the covenant of the Lord your God, that it may be there for a witness against thee."
And to confirm the to commandments are in fact the covenant;
Exodus 34:28 (KJV):
"And he was there with the Lord forty days and forty nights; he did neither eat bread nor drink water. And he wrote upon the tables the words of the covenant, the ten commandments."
Blessings.
Exodus 25:16:
"And you shall put into the ark the testimony which I will give you." ->here testimony and covenant are interchangeable.
Exodus 34:29-30:
"Now it was, when Moses came down from Mount Sinai with the two tablets of the testimony in Moses' hand, when he came down from the mountain, that Moses did not know that the skin of his face shone while he talked with Him."
Deuteronomy 10:1-2:
"At that time the Lord said to me, 'Hew for yourself two tablets of stone like the first ones, and come up to Me on the mountain; and make yourself an ark of wood. And I will write on the tablets the words that were on the first tablets, which you broke, and you shall put them in the ark.'"
Deuteronomy 10:5:
"And I turned and came down from the mountain, and put the tablets in the ark which I had made; and there they are, just as the Lord commanded me."
Now for the law of Moses;
Deuteronomy 31:24-26:
"And it came to pass, when Moses had made an end of writing the words of this law in a book, until they were finished, That Moses commanded the Levites, which bare the ark of the covenant of the Lord, saying, Take this book of the law, and put it in the side of the ark of the covenant of the Lord your God, that it may be there for a witness against thee."
And to confirm the to commandments are in fact the covenant;
Exodus 34:28 (KJV):
"And he was there with the Lord forty days and forty nights; he did neither eat bread nor drink water. And he wrote upon the tables the words of the covenant, the ten commandments."
Blessings.
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