Loss of salvation???

Christ's humanity is unlike anything since Adam's. Completely sinless.

but bro we will experience this - He has redeemed us, and all we wait for is His appearing, and our bodies will be made whole, free of all the corruption that remains in them

So now you know everything I think?

Strewth! There's one in every crowd.

But hey! Always look on the bright side of life, right? Nothing like a good sing song while you're being tortured.

Huh?? Doesn't make me feel sorry. It fills me with complete awe and wonder.

Christ is God



please Notice Isaiah says we thought He was smitten by God, the implication being that we were dead wrong about that.

Really.

Poor Jesus, forsaken.
How pitiful.
Remember how much God suffered for you, poor God.
Be a better person. tithe.

i bet that is exactly the theme of every Ishtar sermon you have heard for the last 20 years.

tell me more about the awe you feel considering God forsaking Himself.. ?

or is it awe that this very nice man was without cause completely forsaken by God for a couple hours?

if you drop His deity, the cross is powerless to save.
if you remember His deity, it is impossible that He is forsaken even for 1 millisecond.


don't mean to be rude.
there's more here than you think!

He had 'see?' And? Spoken with his wife?

Translate. please?

Eve remained physically alive after she ate.

Please? Make sense?

OK... I see you are someone who believes that Jesus is only one nature - God?

Not, humanity, and Deity, in union?

God told him, "because you listened to the voice of your wife"

clearly they spoke after she ate.

at the time of that conversation:

she had sinned. she was separated from the presence of God, and he had not sinned, and was not separated from His presence.
she had been deceived, and he had not, and was not.
she had eaten poison
he had not.

what do you think she said to him?

No,

but His humanity is not at the expense of His deity.

Jesus Christ is never not God.
He is always God.

It was that thinking that got us into this mess in the first place.

Christ's humanity is united to His Deity in a way you and I will never experience. We will not be God.

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if we will never experience sinless humanity there is no such thing as salvation.

you don't have to be God to be pre-fall Adam.

i believe fully in the hypostatic union.

what i do not believe in is a version of it in which He must be stripped of deity in order to add humanity to Himself.

there is no kenosis - He set aside His glory, the train that filled the temple, not His divine power or personhood. what He emptied Himself of was perogative, taking instead the humble form of a servant.


you are a wise friend, i trust this make sense?

There can always be more to a story, doesn't necessarily mean the more is correct.

What I bolded is your opinion but I disagree.

Only humanity could die for humanity and only God could save. It is not impossible for the function of His Deity and humanity to work separately otherwise Jesus would have lied when He said "He did not know the day". As God, He knew. He was perfectly able to keep the function of His His Deity separate from His humanity. If it were not so, He could not have died.

help!

standard Hebrew betrothal ceremony language.

the Groom defers all questions about the timing of the snatching away of the Bride to the Father.

Peter did not lie when he said "LORD You know all things"

Good point. Yet, I do not believe dead spiritually. Physically< yes. For he went and preached to the spirits in prison. Held there by evil. Whom lost the keys evil had at that time to Jesus, upon the resurrection
Rev 1 he has the keys to Heaven and Hell now. Took them When resurrected. They were alive spirits, held there captive, waiting for God’s Messiah, known now as Jesus our Lord unto his Lord
Adam the first died spiritually to God, yet spiritually alive to the flesh. Dead to God. Which is why no flesh but Son’s flesh could and did please God.
‘Evil is still out and about Spiritually alive, playing God
there be dead to self, Romans 6, Phil 3. To becalive to God
what keeps people in unbelief totally is lust of the flesh of this world, lust of the eyes and the pride of life
asking myself, am I< are you willing to die?
thanks hope to have shown you God’s truth over all flesh and blood nature

no mere man can by their death make atonement for the sins of the world.
if this were the case the cross is human sacrifice, like to Molech, which is detestable. you might as well say Christianity is Baal worship.

If He is ONLY God?
And, not also humanity, which is in a unique union with God?

If he's only God?
Then He is all knowing, and has no need to learn anything.

Correct?

You alright?