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Have YOU received the Holy Ghost since you have believed?
Acts 19:1 And it came to pass, that, while Apollos was at Corinth, Paul having passed through the upper coasts came to Ephesus: and finding certain disciples,
2 He said unto them, Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed? And they said unto him, We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost.
3 And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized? And they said, Unto John's baptism.
4 Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.
5 When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.
6 And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied.
Acts 19:1 And it came to pass, that, while Apollos was at Corinth, Paul having passed through the upper coasts came to Ephesus: and finding certain disciples,
2 He said unto them, Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed? And they said unto him, We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost.
3 And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized? And they said, Unto John's baptism.
4 Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.
5 When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.
6 And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied.
Have YOU received the Holy Ghost since you have believed?
Acts 19:1 And it came to pass, that, while Apollos was at Corinth, Paul having passed through the upper coasts came to Ephesus: and finding certain disciples,
2 He said unto them, Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed? And they said unto him, We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost.
3 And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized? And they said, Unto John's baptism.
4 Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.
5 When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.
6 And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied.
Acts 19:1 And it came to pass, that, while Apollos was at Corinth, Paul having passed through the upper coasts came to Ephesus: and finding certain disciples,
2 He said unto them, Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed? And they said unto him, We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost.
3 And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized? And they said, Unto John's baptism.
4 Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.
5 When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.
6 And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied.
Do you even bother to think about the things I have shown you?
You are quoting a verse that speaks of regeneration (birth), not baptism. Baptism is not a birth, it is an identification process. The two births in John 5:6 are physical birth and spiritual birth. Water and Spirit. No-one was baptized in the Spirit until Pentecost. Based on your reasoning, no-one up to Pentecost, could comprehend the Kingdom of God because there was no spiritual birth and no-one from Adam to the nation of Israel (Torah) could understand because there was no water birth. BAPTISM IS NOT BIRTH! You keep looking in the wrong place for understanding. John's baptism was not a baptism of birth, it was a baptism of repentance signifying they identified with the coming Messiah that John preached who would deliver a new baptism, one of real power.
Baptized in Jesus name is receiving Christ's baptism.
Answer me these two questions:
Q1. How many baptisms should you receive?
Q2. Which baptism should you receive, John's or Jesus'?
The word baptism means to be submerged or immersed. If memory serves me correctly, it comes from a root word meaning holy. It is the Spirit who makes us holy, it's why He is often referred to as the Holy Spirit. When we are baptized in the Spirit we are regenerated, filled, indwelt, given a gift, in other words, completely submerged in the death and life of Christ (Rom.6:3-4) because the Spirit takes the things of Christ and passes them on. It's His job to glorify Christ (John 16:14) and it's our job to let Him do His work in us so that Christ is glorified in us.
You are quoting a verse that speaks of regeneration (birth), not baptism. Baptism is not a birth, it is an identification process. The two births in John 5:6 are physical birth and spiritual birth. Water and Spirit. No-one was baptized in the Spirit until Pentecost. Based on your reasoning, no-one up to Pentecost, could comprehend the Kingdom of God because there was no spiritual birth and no-one from Adam to the nation of Israel (Torah) could understand because there was no water birth. BAPTISM IS NOT BIRTH! You keep looking in the wrong place for understanding. John's baptism was not a baptism of birth, it was a baptism of repentance signifying they identified with the coming Messiah that John preached who would deliver a new baptism, one of real power.
Baptized in Jesus name is receiving Christ's baptism.
Answer me these two questions:
Q1. How many baptisms should you receive?
Q2. Which baptism should you receive, John's or Jesus'?
The word baptism means to be submerged or immersed. If memory serves me correctly, it comes from a root word meaning holy. It is the Spirit who makes us holy, it's why He is often referred to as the Holy Spirit. When we are baptized in the Spirit we are regenerated, filled, indwelt, given a gift, in other words, completely submerged in the death and life of Christ (Rom.6:3-4) because the Spirit takes the things of Christ and passes them on. It's His job to glorify Christ (John 16:14) and it's our job to let Him do His work in us so that Christ is glorified in us.
Do you even bother to think about the things I have shown you?
You are quoting a verse that speaks of regeneration (birth), not baptism. Baptism is not a birth, it is an identification process. The two births in John 5:6 are physical birth and spiritual birth. Water and Spirit. No-one was baptized in the Spirit until Pentecost. Based on your reasoning, no-one up to Pentecost, could comprehend the Kingdom of God because there was no spiritual birth and no-one from Adam to the nation of Israel (Torah) could understand because there was no water birth. BAPTISM IS NOT BIRTH! You keep looking in the wrong place for understanding. John's baptism was not a baptism of birth, it was a baptism of repentance signifying they identified with the coming Messiah that John preached who would deliver a new baptism, one of real power. Matt.3:11
Baptized in Jesus name is receiving Christ's baptism.
Answer me these two questions:
Q1. How many baptisms should you receive?
Q2. Which baptism should you receive, John's or Jesus'?
The word baptism means to be submerged or immersed. If memory serves me correctly, it comes from a root word meaning holy. It is the Spirit who makes us holy, it's why He is often referred to as the Holy Spirit. When we are baptized in the Spirit we are regenerated, filled, indwelt, given a gift, in other words, completely submerged in the death and life of Christ (Rom.6:3-4) because the Spirit takes the things of Christ and passes them on. It's His job to glorify Christ (John 16:14) and it's our job to let Him do His work in us so that Christ is glorified in us.
You are quoting a verse that speaks of regeneration (birth), not baptism. Baptism is not a birth, it is an identification process. The two births in John 5:6 are physical birth and spiritual birth. Water and Spirit. No-one was baptized in the Spirit until Pentecost. Based on your reasoning, no-one up to Pentecost, could comprehend the Kingdom of God because there was no spiritual birth and no-one from Adam to the nation of Israel (Torah) could understand because there was no water birth. BAPTISM IS NOT BIRTH! You keep looking in the wrong place for understanding. John's baptism was not a baptism of birth, it was a baptism of repentance signifying they identified with the coming Messiah that John preached who would deliver a new baptism, one of real power. Matt.3:11
Baptized in Jesus name is receiving Christ's baptism.
Answer me these two questions:
Q1. How many baptisms should you receive?
Q2. Which baptism should you receive, John's or Jesus'?
The word baptism means to be submerged or immersed. If memory serves me correctly, it comes from a root word meaning holy. It is the Spirit who makes us holy, it's why He is often referred to as the Holy Spirit. When we are baptized in the Spirit we are regenerated, filled, indwelt, given a gift, in other words, completely submerged in the death and life of Christ (Rom.6:3-4) because the Spirit takes the things of Christ and passes them on. It's His job to glorify Christ (John 16:14) and it's our job to let Him do His work in us so that Christ is glorified in us.
Sorry I have to ask, so many people say things like you get the Holy Ghost the sceond you believe.
Did you like in Acts 2:4???
Mark 16:16-17
King James Version
16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.
17 And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;
When he filled me with his spirit it changed my life HE'S ALIVE.
I think that answers your question.
Did you like in Acts 2:4???
Mark 16:16-17
King James Version
16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.
17 And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;
When he filled me with his spirit it changed my life HE'S ALIVE.
I think that answers your question.
Been baptized and have seen the risen Christ. The Spirit spoke as clear as a bell, repeating over and over "blessed are the pure in heart for they shall see God" as I stood there gazing upon Christ overwhelmed with joy. There is not a shadow of doubt in my mind as to whom I belong. I have walked with Him ever since, in sorrow and joy, in hardship and times of ease, under pressure and out. I am no longer who I was and soon He will call me home and the thought of seeing Him again, overwhelms me with joy once more.
Yea, I do know that's why I asked you.
Just sharing what Paul asked.
This is what happens when you are filled, just like in Acts 19 THEY BELIVED.
As you can tell just beleiving is not enought.
Acts 2:4 And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.
Mark 16:16-17
16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.
17 And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;
What is neat when they say NO like you just did HE ASKED HOW WERE YOU BAPTIZED???
How were you?
Just sharing what Paul asked.
This is what happens when you are filled, just like in Acts 19 THEY BELIVED.
As you can tell just beleiving is not enought.
Acts 2:4 And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.
Mark 16:16-17
16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.
17 And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;
What is neat when they say NO like you just did HE ASKED HOW WERE YOU BAPTIZED???
How were you?
I was baptized in JESUS name to get rid of my sins.
JESUS filled me with his spirit and spoke in tongues and still do.
Which is EXALATY the same thing as HIS WORD SAYS.
Why would you even ask if I was baptized in Johns name?
People who was baptized in Johns name had to be rebaptized in JESUS name, Acts 19.
JESUS filled me with his spirit and spoke in tongues and still do.
Which is EXALATY the same thing as HIS WORD SAYS.
Why would you even ask if I was baptized in Johns name?
People who was baptized in Johns name had to be rebaptized in JESUS name, Acts 19.
How does those verse prove what you said??
""No doubt we get The Holy Spirit the moment we believe""
When will you share them?
Acts 16,
30 And brought them out, and said, Sirs, what must I do to be saved?
31 And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.
32 And they spake unto him the word of the Lord, and to all that were in his house.
33 And he took them the same hour of the night, and washed their stripes; and was baptized, he and all his, straightway.
Wonder what message Paul told them????
They believed AND WAS BAPTIZED!!!
Why did you leave that part out??? SOME DECEIVING GOING ON.
If you believe John 3:16
John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him (((should not perish))), but have everlasting life.
Two things, if you believe want JESUS says in 3:16 why not what he says in 3:3-5???
Second thing, if you believe you SHOULD NOT PERISH.
SHOULD NOT because you will believe him and OBEY WHAT HE SAYS WE MUST DO TO BE SAVED.
Be great if you could back up what you say WITH HIS WORD.
""No doubt we get The Holy Spirit the moment we believe""
When will you share them?
Acts 16,
30 And brought them out, and said, Sirs, what must I do to be saved?
31 And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.
32 And they spake unto him the word of the Lord, and to all that were in his house.
33 And he took them the same hour of the night, and washed their stripes; and was baptized, he and all his, straightway.
Wonder what message Paul told them????
They believed AND WAS BAPTIZED!!!
Why did you leave that part out??? SOME DECEIVING GOING ON.
If you believe John 3:16
John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him (((should not perish))), but have everlasting life.
Two things, if you believe want JESUS says in 3:16 why not what he says in 3:3-5???
Second thing, if you believe you SHOULD NOT PERISH.
SHOULD NOT because you will believe him and OBEY WHAT HE SAYS WE MUST DO TO BE SAVED.
Be great if you could back up what you say WITH HIS WORD.
I never asked you if you were baptized in John's name or even if you were baptized at all, I asked which baptism should we receive John's or Jesus'?
You never answered my first question of how many baptisms because in your post of #2570 you claimed there are two baptisms needed.
Would you like to try again and answer the questions I asked?
You never answered my first question of how many baptisms because in your post of #2570 you claimed there are two baptisms needed.
Would you like to try again and answer the questions I asked?
Q1. How many baptisms should you receive?
Q2. Which baptism should you receive, John's or Jesus'?
Sorry, I thought when I said this it answered how many baptism there are.
"I was baptized in JESUS name to get rid of my sins.
JESUS filled me with his spirit and spoke in tongues and still do."
Two one WE are responsible for, the other JESUS does.
Acts 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
Matthew 3:11 I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance. but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire:
Why would you ask if we are suppose to be baptized under John?
Trying to understand, why do you use the word regeneration?
What is "regeneration" birth?
When we are baptized in the Spirit we are regenerated??
Q2. Which baptism should you receive, John's or Jesus'?
Sorry, I thought when I said this it answered how many baptism there are.
"I was baptized in JESUS name to get rid of my sins.
JESUS filled me with his spirit and spoke in tongues and still do."
Two one WE are responsible for, the other JESUS does.
Acts 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
Matthew 3:11 I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance. but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire:
Why would you ask if we are suppose to be baptized under John?
Trying to understand, why do you use the word regeneration?
What is "regeneration" birth?
When we are baptized in the Spirit we are regenerated??