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According to Paul, Christ’s atonement is “greater” than the sin of Adam that infected the entire world.

So, the point here is that Christ is the Lamb that takes away the sin of the “whole world.” This doesn’t mean that the entire world is saved because not all believe. However, the point of the atonement is that Christ’s blood is greater than sin itself. Not just your sins or my sins, but all sin. The power of sin and death itself was conquered by the blood of Christ.

Out of time, I’ll respond to the rest later.

If Christ paid for every sin ever committed, and unbelief is a sin, then God sends people to hell for sins He accepted payment for, yes?

As I well know from scripture and my own personal salvation experience. You should have directed your post to EverlastingGrace who made that straw men claim that I must be better than everyone else (or my neighbor God chose to bypass) if God chose to save me and not my neighbor. A totally foolish argument given the fact that God chose to bypass all Egypt when he "came down" to "rescue" Abraham's descendants from the clutches of Pharaoh. [/QUOTE]

I agree to disagree with you, God being the only one righteous to me, this I see and deserve to not be saved, no way for me, even if I ever do not ever sin again, I remain deserving to be put to death, since I have sinned at least, the very least, once in my earth life here on earth
Thanks for your honest replies

I take the gift, not the works of man/woman, that by no means gets anyone in. A gift has no work of self in it for them to get or be saved, since I have sinned, even if do not sin presently anymore
It just takes sin one time and then one is not perfect and needs God to call them perfect through risen Son for them , that takes to settle it in self, for me it is thanksgiving and praise God just loves us all, otherwise Son would have not gone through all that pain of the cross, for us all to given new life in his risen Life after that one time death took away sin first, for anyone to choose to beleive and and not try to be god anymore as in Psalm 82 tells me about being god

You can’t look at the whole and come to your conclusion
you can’t even discuss the bronze serpent or the typology of the salvation was offered to everyone but only those who trusted god recieved.
You’re stuck on one word. And refuse to look at context to see what Jesus meant.

But hey. Keep trying to run. That’s on you

I think context is important in understanding particular statements in the Bible. So my question to you is, “Are you not a sinner?” Or, better yet, “were you a sinner before coming to Christ?” If so, then why did God save you if he hated you?

I think a better way of looking at it is that God’s love is unconditional. It is not based on something we do or some condition we can establish. Rather, God’s grace is conditional. God loves everyone, but his grace is given to those who believe. For, Paul says clearly, “This is good, and it is pleasing in the sight of God our Savior, who desires all people to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth.” (1 Tim. 2:3-4)

God desires ALL people to be saved. His love is unconditional and his desire for the good and salvation of every person is made clear in this verse. The issue is not that God does not love and desire some people to be saved, but that some will not believe the truth. God‘s condition for mercy is that we believe and accept the truth.

In sum, I think the picture you have of God, that he hates most of the world and desires to crush them eternally except for those who has chosen to love by His own capricious predetermination, is not supported by the Bible. Otherwise the above verse and many others would make no sense. This is not the picture the Bible gives. Jesus himself says in John 3:19-21,

God gives his light to the whole world and invites them ALL to come into the light. The reason people do not is they love darkness. It is not that that they do not come to the light because God hates them and refuses to allow them into the light. Rather He invites them to the light but allows us to have agency to choose if we will humble ourselves and be exposed, or hide ourselves and excuse our evil behaviors.

Only if he did not die for sin if unbelief.

If that is indeed the case, then Jesus didn't die for the sins of the world.

He did die for the sin of unbelief. For, before I was a believer, I was an unbeliever. My sins in my unbelief are forgiven. So it is not that his blood does not cover the sin of unbelief. However, his blood does not cover unbelievers. If someone does not turn from their unbelief, they will be judged according to the Law. It’s not that Christ’s blood cannot or will not cover them as unbelievers, but they will not believe. I think it is bad theology to suggest that Christ’s blood cannot cover a sin because someone refuses to believe. Again, God grants us agency. His blood can cover ALL our sins. However, he gives us the freedom to decide to come into the light of the truth or not. So its not God’s impotency but his plan to allow us to choose.

Oh he did not? Be cause he did not die for the sin of rejecting him?
I thought @Rufus was bad in his excuses but this takes the cake

If he died for the sin of unbelief everyone would be saved and no one would be condemned because if unbelief

You were condemned before you were saved because of your unbelief. The moment you recieved his grace gift. You lost your condemnation.

Didnt he pray for forgiveness of those who rejected him and were crucifying him? Didnt he pray for Peter prior to Peter rejecting him three times? If a person dies in their unbelief, they will be condemned. But this is very different than saying Christ’s blood cannot cover the sin of unbelief. I dont know why you see this as an “excuse.” I am quoting Scripture in my explanations. You may not agree with my interpretation, but thats an issue of interpretation, not an “excuse.”

Right, so we agree God forgave my sin of unbelief. There’s a difference in saying that in order for God to save people from sin of unbelief, he must forgive all unbelievers. He forgives the sin of unbelief, but if someone will not believe, his offer is of forgiveness is not accepted by them. The issue is the lack of repentance of the hearer, and not that God is unwilling to forgive some.

The difference in our positions, as I see it is this:

I believe God wants to save all people. Some are not saved because they will not believe and accept his mercy.

You believe God does not want to save all people. Some are not save because God has chosen not to save them.

I think the Bible supports my position. People are not saved because their unwillingness, not God’s unwillingness

You believe unbelief is the unpardonable sin?

And what kind of cake is it?

He who believes is not condemned

He who does not believe is CONDEMNED ALREADY

Yes he prayed for their forgiveness. But their only hope was faith in God. To repent. To go from unbelief to belief
Peter denied him three times out of fear.
lets not equal that with Unbelief.. Peter was already alive.

No.

He gave you life because of your belief. You were no longer an unbeliever, so he did not need to forgive you

If you were still an unbeliever you would still be dead.

If he died for unbelief, no one could be condemned for unbelief,, its basic math

Unbelief is blasphemy, And we are told when we do nto believe, it is the HS we are blaspheming, he said he would never forgive that sin in this age or the next.

Who are you talking to here? You did not quote anyone, if you’re talking to me, you would be in error. I do not believe the second way

I KNOW it is

He who believes is not condemned

he who does not believe is condemned already

A kind that kills people