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Yea, the point on the historical link to the apostolic succession is more or less a guard against cults that claim to be Christian, especially in our time era. Though again this point is somewhat of a more background point since really the 3 core beliefs are the most important points of detailing absolute unity of Christianity as a religion and frankly cults that have no clear historical link to the apostolic succession are probably just going to deny one or all of the 3 major points anyways. A good example of this is the mormons, not only do they have no historical link to the apostolic succession, being founded pretty much out of thin air and can only really trace their religion back to Joseph Smith solely in history, but they obviously deny the trinity doctrine, so even without consulting to their history it is obvious they are outside of the unity of Christianity.
Indeed the Nicene Creed is a good summary of the 2 major beliefs of Jesus' role as well as the trinity doctrine which the Apostle's Creed and Athanasian Creed more thoroughly explain, and of course both these beliefs are found in the Bible and the honest reader and thorough student of the Bible can only really come to these conclusions. It is not without accident most cults will attack the Council of Nicaea and the Nicene Creed since after all the Nicene Creed was formed by the clearest historical successors of the apostles to both detail the unity of true Christianity and distinguish it from a popular heresy of their time called Arianism which was started primarily as a cult for the ego of one man named Arius.
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It all comes down to the wheat and the tares, without forgetting the field is the world.
I had a sort of melancholy professor in a philosophy class who related his having left his faith behind in the Catholic religion. Coming to exercise he gave us for comment was in response to a philosopher who seemed to me to have it 'right' concerning his main focus on what he called the 'truth with a capital T." So right it seemed to me that I researched the author having been intrigued to perhaps find more material from him (interested in his religious affiliation no doubt though I found no explicit mention of it). However, what I found was that, ultimately, he had hanged himself, and this is what I determined to address in my graded commentary, that this particular man seemed wise about the hope that finding the 'capital T truth' provides except that the despairing 'last word' message he left by hanging himself seemed to contradict all that he'd previously asserted. And I left off with the question of whether he truly believed what he preached. Although I did not actually intend it for the resulting effect on my professor but, nonetheless, I can't forget his notes to me that I'd given him pause to revisit the reality of his own faith.
There is the possibility that the mentioned author came to despair because it didn't seem that anyone else was following his otherwise undeniably wise thinking, but that would've amounted to rejecting an aspect of the capital T truth just as much, considering that the truth (with a capital T) is as it stands regardless of whether the rest of the world agrees.
I had a sort of melancholy professor in a philosophy class who related his having left his faith behind in the Catholic religion. Coming to exercise he gave us for comment was in response to a philosopher who seemed to me to have it 'right' concerning his main focus on what he called the 'truth with a capital T." So right it seemed to me that I researched the author having been intrigued to perhaps find more material from him (interested in his religious affiliation no doubt though I found no explicit mention of it). However, what I found was that, ultimately, he had hanged himself, and this is what I determined to address in my graded commentary, that this particular man seemed wise about the hope that finding the 'capital T truth' provides except that the despairing 'last word' message he left by hanging himself seemed to contradict all that he'd previously asserted. And I left off with the question of whether he truly believed what he preached. Although I did not actually intend it for the resulting effect on my professor but, nonetheless, I can't forget his notes to me that I'd given him pause to revisit the reality of his own faith.
There is the possibility that the mentioned author came to despair because it didn't seem that anyone else was following his otherwise undeniably wise thinking, but that would've amounted to rejecting an aspect of the capital T truth just as much, considering that the truth (with a capital T) is as it stands regardless of whether the rest of the world agrees.
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That is sad, and I am sorry to hear of your melancholy professor's demise... it brings to mind the 2011
movie The Sunset Limited (<= link) with Samuel L. Jackson and Tommy Lee Jones. Did you ever see it?
The tagline says, Through a chance encounter, two men of opposing ideologies deliberate spiritual,
philosophical, and profound matters in a New York City apartment. What that means is that one of them
is a man of faith and the other an atheist who would rather commit suicide than bend the knee.
If you have not seen it, I would recommend watching it... though not the happiest of movies...
movie The Sunset Limited (<= link) with Samuel L. Jackson and Tommy Lee Jones. Did you ever see it?
The tagline says, Through a chance encounter, two men of opposing ideologies deliberate spiritual,
philosophical, and profound matters in a New York City apartment. What that means is that one of them
is a man of faith and the other an atheist who would rather commit suicide than bend the knee.
If you have not seen it, I would recommend watching it... though not the happiest of movies...
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Happily, it was not my professor that had hanged himself but that indicated his faith might be in the process of reignition (though not necessarily in the direction of returning to the catholic religion since I did not inquire any further, trusting the Truth would do His work if he meant to diligently search Him out). It was actually the author of the assigned reading that hanged himself. I apologize if I wasn't able to make that clear. Hopefully, my professor is alive and well (and, again hopefully, has received the Truth with joy).
I might've come across that movie somewhere but haven't watched it, but I'd have been more ready to if you hadn't offered that warning "not the happiest of movies"!
Only tears of joy here, please and thank you! Not that I avoid dark subjects, A Long Way Down with Piers Brosnan brought tears and also Angel Eyes with Jim Caviezel and Jennifer Lopez, but... I won't spoil it if you haven't seen any of them...Oh! I meant to write of seeing Atlas (2024) today too, in the movies thread (if I can relocate it)! /See you there!
I might've come across that movie somewhere but haven't watched it, but I'd have been more ready to if you hadn't offered that warning "not the happiest of movies"!
Only tears of joy here, please and thank you! Not that I avoid dark subjects, A Long Way Down with Piers Brosnan brought tears and also Angel Eyes with Jim Caviezel and Jennifer Lopez, but... I won't spoil it if you haven't seen any of them...Oh! I meant to write of seeing Atlas (2024) today too, in the movies thread (if I can relocate it)! /See you there! -
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Im going to check that out.
I think its important to understand that god didn't fail him. People claiming to know god failed him. This is what my argument has been about. My example has no power if im not claiming to know god, but to say you know god and be a bad example this is dangerous. If you make that claim then you better make sure your example puts god in a good light. Otherwise your claim and example is not a benefit for god but a hindrance. In that case the enemy is at work claiming to be god.
I think its important to understand that god didn't fail him. People claiming to know god failed him. This is what my argument has been about. My example has no power if im not claiming to know god, but to say you know god and be a bad example this is dangerous. If you make that claim then you better make sure your example puts god in a good light. Otherwise your claim and example is not a benefit for god but a hindrance. In that case the enemy is at work claiming to be god.
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Happily, it was not my professor that had hanged himself but that indicated his faith might be in the process of reignition (though not necessarily in the direction of returning to the catholic religion since I did not inquire any further, trusting the Truth would do His work if he meant to diligently search Him out). It was actually the author of the assigned reading that hanged himself. I apologize if I wasn't able to make that clear. Hopefully, my professor is alive and well (and, again hopefully, has received the Truth with joy).
I might've come across that movie somewhere but haven't watched it, but I'd have been more ready to if you hadn't offered that warning "not the happiest of movies"! Only tears of joy here, please and thank you! Not that I avoid dark subjects, A Long Way Down with Piers Brosnan brought tears and also Angel Eyes with Jim Caviezel and Jennifer Lopez, but... I won't spoil it if you haven't seen any of them...Oh! I meant to write of seeing Atlas (2024) today too, in the movies thread (if I can relocate it)! /See you there!
I might've come across that movie somewhere but haven't watched it, but I'd have been more ready to if you hadn't offered that warning "not the happiest of movies"!
Only tears of joy here, please and thank you! Not that I avoid dark subjects, A Long Way Down with Piers Brosnan brought tears and also Angel Eyes with Jim Caviezel and Jennifer Lopez, but... I won't spoil it if you haven't seen any of them...Oh! I meant to write of seeing Atlas (2024) today too, in the movies thread (if I can relocate it)! /See you there!
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I don't know if it's that simple to 'stop fighting.' I mean, as long as there is resistance, that is a force working against another, fighting is necessary to keep standing, right? So, effectively, you are calling all of us to stop resisting, but who knowingly resists real love? Yet, there's evidence many do considering so many have actually rejected even our Lord.
I couldn't find the movie thread I was thinking of but what I just said reminded me of the movie that I just watched, Atlas, and seeing J Lo playing the title character I decided to sit through it and was not disappointed. I'll offer the advisory that its central theme is generated around AI, sort of like Short Circuit but amped up not just a little but it was able to activate my tears duct to a point, if you can take it in abstracts. I didn't notice the bonus that the antagonist is the lead in Shang Chi: The Legend of the Ten Rings until he engaged Atlas in battle going into a fight stance (and that since this film is completed then he might be free to film Shang Chi II)!
I couldn't find the movie thread I was thinking of but what I just said reminded me of the movie that I just watched, Atlas, and seeing J Lo playing the title character I decided to sit through it and was not disappointed. I'll offer the advisory that its central theme is generated around AI, sort of like Short Circuit but amped up not just a little but it was able to activate my tears duct to a point, if you can take it in abstracts. I didn't notice the bonus that the antagonist is the lead in Shang Chi: The Legend of the Ten Rings until he engaged Atlas in battle going into a fight stance (and that since this film is completed then he might be free to film Shang Chi II)!
I would disagree with that.I believe that we can all agree on the Nicene Creed ad that should be enough to come together and stop fighting. It really is that simple. Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you. Love others in the same way god has loved you.
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Everyone who hates his brother is a murderer, and you know that no murderer has eternal life abiding in him.
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If anyone says, “I love God,” and hates his brother, he is a liar; for he who does not love his brother whom he has seen cannot love God whom he has not seen.
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Whoever says he is in the light and hates his brother is still in darkness.
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Do not speak evil against one another, brothers. The one who speaks against a brother or judges his brother, speaks evil against the law and judges the law. But if you judge the law, you are not a doer of the law but a judge. There is only one lawgiver and judge, he who is able to save and to destroy. But who are you to judge your neighbor?
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To speak evil of no one, to avoid quarreling, to be gentle, and to show perfect courtesy toward all people.
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If anyone thinks he is religious and does not bridle his tongue but deceives his heart, this person's religion is worthless.
So if you believe in the Nicene creed then you are brothers and sisters. To be divided and speak bad about a brother and sister is hatful. According to the bible most Christian institutions permit and teach division. There for speaking poorly of one another. This is whats called a bigot. According to the bible christianity encourages murder, false religon, blind guiding the blind, evil talk, to deny god, to walk in darkness, to love with your lips and not your heart. Is this god at work.
1 John 3:15 ESV / 639 helpful votes Helpful Not Helpful
Everyone who hates his brother is a murderer, and you know that no murderer has eternal life abiding in him.
1 John 4:20 ESV / 532 helpful votes Helpful Not Helpful
If anyone says, “I love God,” and hates his brother, he is a liar; for he who does not love his brother whom he has seen cannot love God whom he has not seen.
1 John 2:9 ESV / 311 helpful votes Helpful Not Helpful
Whoever says he is in the light and hates his brother is still in darkness.
James 4:11-12 ESV / 78 helpful votes Helpful Not Helpful
Do not speak evil against one another, brothers. The one who speaks against a brother or judges his brother, speaks evil against the law and judges the law. But if you judge the law, you are not a doer of the law but a judge. There is only one lawgiver and judge, he who is able to save and to destroy. But who are you to judge your neighbor?
Titus 3:2 ESV / 140 helpful votes Helpful Not Helpful
To speak evil of no one, to avoid quarreling, to be gentle, and to show perfect courtesy toward all people.
Matthew 7:1-5 ESV / 103 helpful votes Helpful Not Helpful
“Judge not, that you be not judged. For with the judgment you pronounce you will be judged, and with the measure you use it will be measured to you. Why do you see the speck that is in your brother's eye, but do not notice the log that is in your own eye? Or how can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when there is the log in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brother's eye.
James 1:26 ESV / 89 helpful votes Helpful Not Helpful
If anyone thinks he is religious and does not bridle his tongue but deceives his heart, this person's religion is worthless.
So if you believe in the Nicene creed then you are brothers and sisters. To be divided and speak bad about a brother and sister is hatful. According to the bible most Christian institutions permit and teach division. There for speaking poorly of one another. This is whats called a bigot. According to the bible christianity encourages murder, false religon, blind guiding the blind, evil talk, to deny god, to walk in darkness, to love with your lips and not your heart. Is this god at work.
I have. I belive in the creed, been baptized, and try to follow him. Just so you know the apostles also weren't christian. They were followers of christ. Christian was just a name given to followers of christ. Now christianity follows the advisory and not followers of christ. To be religous is to be a bigot. The creed unifies us so we are bolth brothers.
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