Predestination is misunderstood...

You do not know what you talk about. Arminianism and Calvinism are both wrong.

You need to make everything to be ABC simple. For simple minded, impatient souls.

Lynch mobs used to be formed on your way of thinking.....

This doesn't make semantic sense. please edit and repost.

You sure are killing me.
Ha ha ha ha ha! Ouch! My ribs!

In the yom, in which God made the heaven and earth is not how many yoms it took to make the Heaven and the earth.

My pastor one day suddenly stopped in the middle of his teaching lesson.

There was silence............(paused a few seconds)

Then, he began teaching again...

He said..






There is a difference.

Stupid is not the same as being dumb.
A stupid person can have a high IQ.
Stupid is willful ignorance.


That's God's Word folks.

grace and peace ...........

Men hate the truth? Your sure proving that to be the case.

Well, you haven't identified yourself yet. So I don't know what you believe and please don't tell me you believe and tremble as the Demons do. Believing someone exists and believing in them as in placing your faith in them are two different types of belief.

You haven't given me a reason why you deny what God said about sinners dying. You claim God was just talking about a slow painful death of the body, but that doesn't make any sense to me or any other respected theologian

You took my response to another member out of context. He tried to discredit the great John Calvin by saying he didn't write the TULIP table, so I turned his attack back on him by saying Jesus didn't write the bible. So you can relax brother, I haven't lost my faith

Still waiting for the damning evidence and the revelation of this mysterious third option. Talk is cheap, how about some facts

You picked the wrong thing to use.....

At best... It was sloppy thinking trying to come up with an answer that ended up treating something sacred as if it were common....
You're still not thinking with integrity for God's Word.

You need better teaching than you are getting.
Either that, or you are misrepresenting the one whom you are learning from....

TULIP is a cruel doctrine as long as its proponents remain uncorrectable.
It presents an insane, limited God .. Then uses "sovereignty" as a means to sweep that factor under the carpet.

TULIP promotes an ironic form of "righteous dishonesty" in those wishing to keep upholding it..

God can not condemn what He created to be condemned. Its oxymoronic logic..

Arminianism was a *reaction.* An emergency stop gap solution until something better could be revealed.

And, you? You are flexing your spiritual bully tendencies, which TULIP seems to have an affinity for.

There you have it....

Yep, just read some of the responses and you will find lots of hatred towards Gods Word

Not not someone to discuss it with.

I understand why Leighton Flowers says Calvinism has nothing to with evangelism.

That is my point. Context proves that the time period referred to by yom in Chapter two of Genesis cannot be the same time period referred to as yom in Chapter one. Chapter one must be a 24 hour day having a morning and evening. Therefore Chapter two cannot be referring to a 24 hour day. So what is it? A week? A month? A year? A decade? Or a millennium? Context makes a millennium the most likely, because Adam we see died within but close to 1000 years from his sin, as did all his immediate descendants. The reasoning seems robust. What time period other than day and millennium are you willing to nail your colours to here?

You still haven't provided a single shred of evidence against Calvinism and your desperate attempt to defend Arminianism was also done without any biblical basis.

As I've been trying to explain to you over an over again. IM NOT INTERESTED IN YOUR WISDOM OR YOUR PRIVATE OPPINIONS. Please give me some biblical evidence to support your man centered gospel. I have given you a 100 verses to prove that my theology is biblically sound, but you haven't given me a single verse to defend your faith in the man centered gospel.

You are proving now that you have very few reading comprehension skills as well. Ideal Calvinist pastor material.

Just please start your own church. Please, don't pretend not to be Calvinist to get a pastorate and then stealthily change the church over to calvinism.

That is my point. Context proves that the time period referred to by yom in Chapter two of Genesis cannot be the same time period referred to as yom in Chapter one. Chapter one must be a 24 hour day having a morning and evening. Therefore Chapter two cannot be referring to a 24 hour day. So what is it? A week? A month? A year? A decade? Or a millennium? Context makes a millennium the most likely, because Adam we see died within but close to 1000 years from his sin, as did all his immediate descendants. The reasoning seems robust. What time period other than day and millennium are you willing to nail your colours to here?

But the second account does not begin where the first ends. A Yom is an earth cycle, or the word tide in english.

What is your contextual evidence that you means a tide in chapter two? You are alleging that chapter two is saying God created the heavens and the earth in one tide cycle, 24 hours and 50 minutes. How does that make sense of chapter one? How do you get six days to fit into 24 hours and fifty minutes?

I thought you were.

The accounts overlap. Why do you have to fix six yoms into one yom. I don't think you are reading it carefully.