The Error of KJV-Onlyism

Umm, so far, I haven't seen posted here a legit error in KJB. Not one is presented here has been done so far.

Presidente's offer of "logos" for the "word" does not satisfy or justify his objection. We all know one Greek word can be translated in many ways. Say for example for the Greek word “eis”. It could be translated so far as “for”, “into”,“unto”, “to”, “on”, “toward”, “against”,“among” and many others. So, insisting “logos” could only mean “word” is incorrect. Logos is the same as preaching as per Whiner in his Greek rule especially when it is in genitive. Thayers, Strong, and many others correctly agreed to this. I think, this is basic, and saying a Greek word means only one meaning is not true at all.

I am aware that there are alternate ways to say the same thing in Scripture. In this case your bring up, it’s not proof of the existence of variant readings whereby it means something else entirely different. One is merely making assumptions that this is so. You would need a series of verses or passages clearly referring to the art of Textual Criticism and it is just not there. Jesus was not asked about any textual variants. He simply quoted Scripture with authority. Neither did Jesus or the apostles believe that there were errors in the Scriptures and they had to piece them together in the hope that they would have maybe have them perfectly someday. Nowhere is it stated in Scripture that only the originals are inspired. We know that is false by the testimony of Scripture.

And there is no reason to think that the KJV authors were inspired to write scripture like Paul who wrote the epistle.

excuse me

what is said in deuteronomy and how Jesus interpreted it was that divorce was allowed for the hard of heart. This does not make KJV wrong. I dont see what the issue is....Jesus knew and quoted from Deuteronomy and of course knew all the laws of the prophets but he was just saying WHY it was so.

He did that with a lot of laws not just divorce, for example woman caught in adultery was forgiven and not stoned and Jesus also asked about the MEN who were stoning her whether they were sinning as well. He interpreted them for the spirit and not the letter,

Deuteronomy 24 is ambiguous, Christ interpreted it one way, and not another. The KJV sided with the way the Pharisees interpreted it, probably unintentionally.

The similarity is the type of verbs used, as I explained in the thread on Roman Catholicsm and divorce.

Different rape scenarios are mentioned. If one rapes someone else's betrothed, that was a death penalty sin/crime.

The 'let him' in the KJV is a soft command form.

Orthodox Jews believe a man must divorce his wife if she commits adultery, and he accepts the testimony (generally, there can be exceptions and variations in interpretation among them.) If you read the discussion between Jesus and the Pharisees, they say that Moses commanded giving the certificate. Jesus said Moses, because of the hardness of your hearts _allowed_ divorce, but from the beginning it was not so.

The 'let him' in the KJV is a soft command form. It's not as strong as 'shall' in some other translations, but sides on the 'command' interpretation, more in line with the Pharisees. Look at the NKJV:

24 “When a man takes a wife and marries her, and it happens that she finds no favor in his eyes because he has found some [a]uncleanness in her, and he writes her a certificate of divorce, puts it in her hand, and sends her out of his house, 2 when she has departed from his house, and goes and becomes another man’s wife, 3 if the latter husband detests her and writes her a certificate of divorce, puts it in her hand, and sends her out of his house, or if the latter husband dies who took her as his wife, 4 then her former husband who divorced her must not take her back to be his wife after she has been defiled; for that is an abomination before the Lord, and you shall not bring sin on the land which the Lord your God is giving you as an inheritance.

The NIV is similar here. The divorce certificate part here is presented as setting up a scenario. The command is for the former husband not to take her back after she has been defiled.

The verb forms could be translated or interpreted as either commands or how they are presented in the NKJV. In another thread, I posted how the same types of Hebrew verb forms or used to describe a case where a man _forces_ and _lies_ with a virgin, but it is not a command to do so. That is just describing a scenario. The command part has to do with her not being executed because she was not at fault.



Some lawyers use the concept of 'spirit of the law.' But that's not how it is used in II Corinthians. We receive the Spirit, but the letter kills. So no 'spirit of the law'.

[qutoe]This does not mean translators actually need to rewrite the OT to conform with what Jesus in the NT interpreted. its actually a mystery not obvious to those who dont have faith for them to seek out.

There is an important piece of information that you must understand when it comes to biblical inspiration. It was the WORDS that were inspired, not the men! God worked through men by His Holy Spirit with the result of the WORDS being inspired. The words are what God breathed life into, not the men. The words of God are living!

16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

Adding to my earlier post…

The inspiration is on the original only. God did not re-inspire each copyist, translator or publisher as they laboured.

The inspiration remains effective through the processes of copying and translating, so what you or I hold today is still the inspired word of God just as what Timothy held was.

This issue of inspiration gets muddy when people foolishly claim that only one translation in a language can be the inspired word of God, or that a particular translation was re-inspired.

Do you believe God was involved in the giving of the cannon of Scripture?
There is no page in Scripture listing out the books that are to be in our Bible.
Yet, God would have had to move in men to guide them to choose the right books to put in the Protestant Bible.
It was not solely the minds of men and or their working alone. It was not solely their great brains that made that happen.

Job says this about inspiration.

“But there is a spirit in man:
and the inspiration of the Almighty
giveth them understanding.”
(Job 32:8).

So the inspiration of the Almighty gives the spirit in man understanding.
Scripture was written down when holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost (2 Peter 1:20-21). Yet, even when they gave a record or written account of when these holy men of God spake (being moved by the Holy Ghost), they did so by the inspiration of the Almighty to have understanding to write down what these holy men of God said. They were writing by God giving them the understanding. Scripture is given by inspiration of God (2 Timothy 3:16). For the inspiration of the Almighty gives them understanding to do so.

So, when a true pure copy by God is made into another language, in order for it to truly be Scripture, then it would naturally be given by inspiration of God according to the Bible. If it is not that, then they are corrupted Scriptures that would not be given by the inspiration of the Almighty. They would simply be Bibles created by men’s intellects alone and or by carnal reasoning. In such a case, it would be a hybrid Bible that has true parts, and false parts.

If inspiration is God giving us understanding, then naturally the KJB would be guided by God. So the spirits of the KJB translators would be given the inspiration of the Almighty to have the understanding to translate correctly what was in the originals manuscripts.

Jesus said, “…ye can discern the face of the sky; but can ye not discern the signs of the times?” (Matthew 16:3).

In other words, Jesus is saying to the Jews that they lacked spiritual discernment to be able to to recognize the prophecy of His own words in that He said He would be three days and three nights in the heart of the Earth (Which was parallel to Jonah being three days and three nights in the great fish). Today, it is no different when it comes to the Word of God (i.e., the Communicated Word). As Scripture repeatedly tells us it is perfect and would be preserved and would be in a book. Scripture says it cannot be broken. It shows us that there are many who are not discerning things correctly. They willfully ignore heretical doctrines in their own Bibles and they willfully ignore the heretical origins of the Modern Bible movement and seek out the wisdom of men instead of God and His Word alone. They are not able to discern the times that we are in the Laodicean age and the corrupted Modern Bible movement that gets men to doubt the Bible is all a part of that. They are not able to recognize in Bible history, the true Word of God even when such a translation was almost destroyed by the Catholic Church. They are not able to recognize that the KJB translators and their credentials far surpass any other group in a translation in human history. They are not able to recognize that even unbelievers speak like the King James Bible with the KJB’s popularization of the Bible’s idioms. They are not able to see that it was authorized by a king and that is significant in Scripture. They are not able to see that the KJB is the most printed book in the world and the most influential book. They are not able to see the superiors of the KJB with it’s personal pronouns and that it was not motivated by a copyright in it’s creation, unlike most Modern Bibles.

Psalms 119:130
"The entrance of thy words giveth light; it giveth understanding unto the simple."

Do you believe God was involved in the giving of the cannon of Scripture?
There is no page in Scripture listing out the books that are to be in our Bible.
Yet, God would have had to move in men to guide them to choose the right books to put in the Protestant Bible.
It was not solely the minds of men and or their working alone. It was not solely their great brains that made that happen.

Job says this about inspiration.

“But there is a spirit in man:
and the inspiration of the Almighty
giveth them understanding.”
(Job 32:8).

So the inspiration of the Almighty gives the spirit in man understanding.
Scripture was written down when holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost (2 Peter 1:20-21). Yet, even when they gave a record or written account of when these holy men of God spake (being moved by the Holy Ghost), they did so by the inspiration of the Almighty to have understanding to write down what these holy men of God said. They were writing by God giving them the understanding. Scripture is given by inspiration of God (2 Timothy 3:16). For the inspiration of the Almighty gives them understanding to do so.

So, when a true pure copy by God is made into another language, in order for it to truly be Scripture, then it would naturally be given by inspiration of God according to the Bible. If it is not that, then they are corrupted Scriptures that would not be given by the inspiration of the Almighty. They would simply be Bibles created by men’s intellects alone and or by carnal reasoning. In such a case, it would be a hybrid Bible that has true parts, and false parts.

If inspiration is God giving us understanding, then naturally the KJB would be guided by God. So the spirits of the KJB translators would be given the inspiration of the Almighty to have the understanding to translate correctly what was in the originals manuscripts.

Jesus said, “…ye can discern the face of the sky; but can ye not discern the signs of the times?” (Matthew 16:3).

In other words, Jesus is saying to the Jews that they lacked spiritual discernment to be able to to recognize the prophecy of His own words in that He said He would be three days and three nights in the heart of the Earth (Which was parallel to Jonah being three days and three nights in the great fish). Today, it is no different when it comes to the Word of God (i.e., the Communicated Word). As Scripture repeatedly tells us it is perfect and would be preserved and would be in a book. Scripture says it cannot be broken. It shows us that there are many who are not discerning things correctly. They willfully ignore heretical doctrines in their own Bibles and they willfully ignore the heretical origins of the Modern Bible movement and seek out the wisdom of men instead of God and His Word alone. They are not able to discern the times that we are in the Laodicean age and the corrupted Modern Bible movement that gets men to doubt the Bible is all a part of that. They are not able to recognize in Bible history, the true Word of God even when such a translation was almost destroyed by the Catholic Church. They are not able to recognize that the KJB translators and their credentials far surpass any other group in a translation in human history. They are not able to recognize that even unbelievers speak like the King James Bible with the KJB’s popularization of the Bible’s idioms. They are not able to see that it was authorized by a king and that is significant in Scripture. They are not able to see that the KJB is the most printed book in the world and the most influential book. They are not able to see the superiors of the KJB with it’s personal pronouns and that it was not motivated by a copyright in it’s creation, unlike most Modern Bibles.

Psalms 119:130
"The entrance of thy words giveth light; it giveth understanding unto the simple."

Variant readings? I did not even mention that. The Masoretic text added vowel pointings that were not in the original. In places, those vowel pointings lead to interpretations that are different from how the apostles interpreted passages and different from the LXX. They also vowel pointed Psalm 22 in such a way as to not be about the crucifixion. Sometimes the KJV just goes with the Masoretic vowel pointings. Psalm 22 is an exception.

I enjoy the kjv something about that language speaks to me infact I have wished for morgan freemon to be the voice of an audeo bible since reading is very hard for me.

but the ting is when you call it the word of God then if your truly hold it as such then when has his word ever come back in void? his word does not abide to our reality if his thoughts are not our thoughts then why would his word abide otherwise? translation? do we listen to the holy spirit or translation? the language of God or man? the kjbv people who follow that verson only give the power to the translation not the God they follw

When you get a chance after the holidays. Watch the video.

God’s Word says His words are in a book (singular) (See: Deuteronomy 17:18, Joshua 1:8, Isaiah 34:16, Jeremiah 30:2, Job 19:23-24, Luke 4:20, Hebrews 10:7). In fact, not only are His words in a book but we are told to seek out this book and read from it (Isaiah 34:16). Furthermore, Isaiah 34:16 is a prophecy of the “End Times.”This prophecy talks about how we would have the Bible (i.e., the Book of the LORD) during the Tribulation period mentioned in Revelation. Seeing we are currently living in the last days and we are drawing closer to the Tribulation period by each passing day, logic dictates that we would be able to hold in our hands the very “Book of the LORD” today

(See again Brandon Peterson’s video here to learn more). In other words, God’s words are not in thousands of manuscript copies of the original languages, but they are in a book, as Scripture says.

There is an important piece of information that you must understand when it comes to biblical inspiration. It was the WORDS that were inspired, not the men! God worked through men by His Holy Spirit with the result of the WORDS being inspired. The words are what God breathed life into, not the men. The words of God are living!

16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

Soft?

3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.

I am also sure I can come up with answers in time to supposed problems in the KJB as I have many times in the past. We simply believe the Bible in what it says. You are doubting the Bible’s teaching on the doctrines of purity and preservation. So what you are doing is no different than what the atheist does. Your position is simply one of unbelief on these doctrines in the Bible.

Folks who are in deep into Textual Criticism have even fallen away from the faith. I can think of two men. Bart Ehrman, and Rick Beckman. Then there are students who fell away from the faith when they went to Bible college. This is no doubt due to Textual Criticism that gets them to doubt their Bible and not trust in it. That really doesn’t happen to my knowledge on some level with KJB believer unless they fall into the wells unbelief of Textual Criticism first. You are also trusted Modern scholarship when they lie and employ deceptions. Granted, you cannot see it because you are in it.