The Error of KJV-Onlyism
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Why don't you tell us why you love the corrupt bibles so much? So far all you have done is speak disparagingly about those who reject these bibles. So now tell us what is good about these corruptions and back it up with manuscript evidence. You will find nothing.
"The number of variations adopted by the Revisers, which are generally based upon the principles advocated by Westcott and Hort, has been estimated by Dr. Scrivener at 5,337 (Burgon's 'Revision Revised,' p. 405).
Burgon examined Aleph and B (the principal manuscripts used by Westcott &Hort) and discovered this:
But here an important consideration claims special attention. We allude to the result of increased acquaintance with certain of the oldest extant codices of the N. T. Two of these,—viz. a copy in the Vatican technically indicated by the letter b, and the recently-discovered Sinaitic codex, styled after the first letter of the Hebrew alphabet א,—are thought to belong to the IVth century. Two are assigned to the Vth, viz. the Alexandrian (a) in the British Museum, and the rescript codex preserved at Paris, designated c. One is probably of the VIth, viz. the codex Bezæ (d) preserved at Cambridge. Singular to relate, the first, second, fourth, and fifth of these codices (b א c d), but especially b and א, have within the last twenty years established a tyrannical ascendency over the imagination of the Critics, which can only be fitly spoken of as a blind superstition. It matters nothing that all four are discovered on careful scrutiny to differ essentially, not only from ninety-nine out of a hundred of the whole body of extant MSS. besides, but even from one another...
On being referred to this standard, in the Gospels alone, B is found to omit at least 2877 words: to add, 536: to substitute, 935: to transpose, 2098: to modify, 1132 (in all 7578):—the corresponding figures for א being severally 3455, 839, 1114, 2299, 1265 (in all 8972). And be it remembered that the omissions, additions, substitutions, transpositions, and modifications, are by no means the same in both. It is in fact easier to find two consecutive verses in which these two MSS. differ the one from the other, than two consecutive verses in which they entirely agree. (pp 011,012)
"The number of variations adopted by the Revisers, which are generally based upon the principles advocated by Westcott and Hort, has been estimated by Dr. Scrivener at 5,337 (Burgon's 'Revision Revised,' p. 405).
Burgon examined Aleph and B (the principal manuscripts used by Westcott &Hort) and discovered this:
But here an important consideration claims special attention. We allude to the result of increased acquaintance with certain of the oldest extant codices of the N. T. Two of these,—viz. a copy in the Vatican technically indicated by the letter b, and the recently-discovered Sinaitic codex, styled after the first letter of the Hebrew alphabet א,—are thought to belong to the IVth century. Two are assigned to the Vth, viz. the Alexandrian (a) in the British Museum, and the rescript codex preserved at Paris, designated c. One is probably of the VIth, viz. the codex Bezæ (d) preserved at Cambridge. Singular to relate, the first, second, fourth, and fifth of these codices (b א c d), but especially b and א, have within the last twenty years established a tyrannical ascendency over the imagination of the Critics, which can only be fitly spoken of as a blind superstition. It matters nothing that all four are discovered on careful scrutiny to differ essentially, not only from ninety-nine out of a hundred of the whole body of extant MSS. besides, but even from one another...
On being referred to this standard, in the Gospels alone, B is found to omit at least 2877 words: to add, 536: to substitute, 935: to transpose, 2098: to modify, 1132 (in all 7578):—the corresponding figures for א being severally 3455, 839, 1114, 2299, 1265 (in all 8972). And be it remembered that the omissions, additions, substitutions, transpositions, and modifications, are by no means the same in both. It is in fact easier to find two consecutive verses in which these two MSS. differ the one from the other, than two consecutive verses in which they entirely agree. (pp 011,012)
They have talked in person and online if I recall correctly but there has never been any official debate. At this time, James White appears to not want to deal with the points Nick has put forth to him.
On a side note: Nick does talk with Turretin Fan a lot and he is a friend of White. Nick has debated with Terretin Fan before.
On a side note: Nick does talk with Turretin Fan a lot and he is a friend of White. Nick has debated with Terretin Fan before.
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People see things in Scripture they want to see even if it goes against what the Bible plainly says. There are a few biblical topics I could bring up as an example, but I won't share here so as not to derail this topic. There are Christians today who see Jesus as stripped of His power and relying solely on the power of God the Father, and the Holy Spirit. While Jesus did operate by the power of the Father, and the Spirit, He also did things by His own power, as well.
The traditional Kenosis teaching in evangelical Christianity by my understanding so far teaches that Jesus had power as the unique Son of God, but He simply did not use that power during His earthly ministry and He relied on the power of the Father, and the Spirit. I also believe this teaching is false or unbiblical. I have given clear examples in Scripture were Jesus USED HIS OWN POWER (as the Son of God) during His earthly ministry.
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The traditional Kenosis teaching in evangelical Christianity by my understanding so far teaches that Jesus had power as the unique Son of God, but He simply did not use that power during His earthly ministry and He relied on the power of the Father, and the Spirit. I also believe this teaching is false or unbiblical. I have given clear examples in Scripture were Jesus USED HIS OWN POWER (as the Son of God) during His earthly ministry.
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