Predestination; are fates set in some cases?

I think he should call it:

“The Pre-tribber‘s Guide to Predestination and Eternally Conscious Torment: How the Law of Moses is
for Today (Even if You are 1/2 Demon 1/2 Human - But Don't Worry, Be Happy, Because Some Day You
Will Be An Angel... Again!!!)) as Explained by the King James Version of the Bible Only. Volume 1: Why
You’re Going to Hell and I’m Not, According To The White Jesus”

Can we do the Law again? Still trying to figure out what Torah observant means for a believer. No one will say with any clarity. But they like to claim it. Till they change their tune to work a different angle.

I did site the source, and I left links… So what are you talking about? If you are unable to give an adequate response don’t attempt to slander me for your own lack of knowledge.

Notice… You did not even attempt to respond or give an opinion on the topic… The source I clearly referenced was out of your league and damaged your fragile ego.

Not to mention I didn’t get the info from the site you provided. Anything else?

It is literally word for word from the site I provided.

Listen. You know what you posted and what you removed from to original post to make it seem like your original writing. It’s embarrassing that you are pushing the issue. I have no issue with sharing what others have written but it is appropriate to share the source.

It is literally word for word from the site I provided.

I put Bullingers words in quotes, I also put his tag ~ EW Bullinger at the end, and I also left links… You are a liar!


So you claim I posted word for word… Then you claim I removed words… Well if I removed words then it can’t be word for word. 🤦

For the record I don’t care what you’re ok with, also people on here are pretty sharp it would foolish to pretend someone else’s words are my own. All one has to do is copy the words and insert them into a Google search… You accuse me and insult my intelligence, And you lie to support your accusations, aren’t you something special.

I think he should call it:

“The Pre-tribber‘s Guide to Predestination and Eternally Conscious Torment: How the Law of Moses is
for Today (Even if You are 1/2 Demon 1/2 Human - But Don't Worry, Be Happy, Because Some Day You
Will Be An Angel... Again!!!)) as Explained by the King James Version of the Bible Only. Volume 1: Why
You’re Going to Hell and I’m Not, According To The White Jesus”

Word for word without the reference. Try to keep up.

Anyone can go to the site, which you claim you never visited, scroll down and find two posts written by Rick Kelly from June 12, 2013 which are word for word what you posted EXCEPT the reference to the Companion Bible. How is that possible if not for copy/paste.

https://christinprophecyblog.org/2013/06/creation-training-the-age-of-the-earth/

Why do you persist in this? Why not simply say “my bad, I’ll include the references next time” ? I accused you of nothing.

Predestination touches on truths in a way that most people cannot fathom

Bible is really all about predestination.

I think that what happened

I never went to the site… here is one of the sources… long before 2013

https://levendwater.org/companion/append146.html

Here is another, out long before 2013

https://www.companionbiblecondensed.com/AP/Ap_list.htm

Here is a church that sells the Bible, that have been around longer than 2013

https://www.google.com/search?q=shepherd's+chapel&client=safari&sca_esv=571755461&channel=iphone_bm&source=hp&ei=GvYiZe2CH6rWkPIP3p2j0AM&gs_ssp=eJzj4tLP1TfIMk5LKrA0YLRSNaiwME-2TLQ0N05OSTJJMzZIsjKoSDMxMEw2MEw0N0kzMjGwMPMSLM5ILchILUpRL1ZIzkgsSM0BALYYFJk&oq=sheperds+chapel&gs_lp=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&sclient=mobile-gws-wiz-hp


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Genre
King James Version, Study, BIBLES
Contributor
Bullinger, E. W.
Item Dimensions LxWxH
6.25 x 1.6 x 9.25 inches
Brand
Kregel Publications
Publication Date
August 4, 1994

Now is that the same site… NO it is not!
You foolish person, I have had the Companion Bible well before 2013…. As a matter of fact I’ve utilized this appendix for reference many times before 2013…. You are indeed a liar of men.

2013…. 😂😂😂😂

The Companion Bible has been a trusted resource for personal Bible study for almost a century. Originally published in six parts from 1909 to 1922, this classic study Bible, in its print edition, featured a two-column format, with Scripture on the left and notes on the right, covering Genesis through Revelation.

You say I took from something published in 2003, but the appendix has been out since 1922… Now do you see how dumb you sound..

And I’m holding the Bible at this moment… You doubt me, a simple FaceTime call could prove what I’m saying… You up for it? Of course not… liars retreat from truth.

Now you can go cheerlead on Magnetas post, liars like to make friends quickly when they’re called out.

See? You can post sources. You’re learning!

But I'm sure that you can.


The Bible is about Jesus and His precious gift of salvation which He has made freely available to all.


Lets focus on what the Bible says happened...

Man's sin set the stage for what Jesus did.

1 Peter 3:18
“For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:"

Jesus died for the unjust, not some predestinated master class who were born saved.

Predestination is not "fate." God's Sovereignty is not in conflict with our responsibility.

Nice try!!! You accused me of plagiarizing a site I’ve never been too, and a man I’ve never heard of…

You are in essence calling me a thief, and all that I have learned is forums are best for jerks, that wouldn’t dare call a person a thief in person.

1:5 KJV “Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations.”

The answer is YES but it is very hard to prove. Predestination touches on truths in a way that most people cannot fathom nor would be willing to accept, though the Bible is really all about predestination.

It's about - who is forever - and who is not forever. I think that what happened in rebellion sealed many fates; and that people today, as we know them, must just simply live it out; else the below Scriptures do not seem fair:
John 6:44
44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day. (KJV)
John 3:16
16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. (KJV)

The irony.
That there are some that were to be born into their fate is clear:
Jude 4
4 For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ. KJV

My opinion, drawn from the totality of the Scriptures; and admittedly not able to be documented by any one Scripture alone, as would have been desired; is that certain were fated to work for satan, and certain were destined to work for God; and between these two groups lies the overwhelming majority of people who have choice and free will.
Those that I refer to as satan's, would be the Kenites; and those that I refer to as God's, would be what we (sometimes confusingly) refer to as God's Elect.
NOTE: Please do not confuse "God's Elect" with all Christians. And please understand that many times all Christians are referred to as the Elect, but that within that group is a body of individuals that were afore-ordained to work for God.


Many people read the scriptures wherein it mentions "the Elect" and "the Elect Lady," etc., and suppose that this is not speaking of the general body of Christians, but only of a sub-group. This is an error. All Christians are Elect, but there is a sub-group of these Elect that is ordained from before the world began to work the purpose of God. The difficulty is in how to know when it is speaking of the main group or when it is speaking of the sub-group.

The bottom line is that God is fair; and that if there are some "who were before of old ordained to this condemnation", and there are, then it is because of what they did in the rebellion of the First Earth Age. What is the condemnation? Observe as the Master tells us:
John 3:17-21
17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.
21 But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God. KJV
Jude 4
4 For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ. KJV

Ephesians 4
4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:

To arrive at the true meaning of this expression, we must note that there are two words translated "foundation" in the New Testament:

The Noun, themelios,
The Noun, katabole,
“Consistency, therefore, calls for the same translation in Hebrews 6:1, where, instead of "not laying again", the rendering should be "not casting down". That is to say, the foundation already laid, of repentance, etc., was not to be cast down or overthrown, but was to be left and progress made unto the perfection.
Accordingly, the Noun katabole, derived from, and cognate with the Verb, ought to be translated "disruption", or "ruin".
The remarkable thing is that in all occurrences (except Hebrews 11:11) the word is connected with "the world" (Greek kosmos. Appendix 129.1), and therefore the expression should be rendered "the disruption (or ruin) of the world", clearly referring to the condition indicated in Genesis 1:2, and described in 2Peter 3:5-6. For the earth was not created tohu (Isaiah 45:18) but became so, as stated in the Hebrew of Genesis 1:2and confirmed by 2Peter 3:6, where "the world that then was by the word of God" (Genesis 1:1), perished and "the heavens and the earth which are now, by the same word" were created (Genesis 2:4), and are "kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment" (2Peter 3:7) which shall usher in the "new heavens and the new earth" of 2Peter 3:13.
"The disruption of the world" is an event forming a great dividing line in the dispensations of the ages. In Genesis 1:1 we have the founding of the world (Hebrews 1:10 = themelioo), but in Genesis 1:2 we have its overthrow.
This is confirmed by a further remarkable fact, that the phrase, which occurs ten times, is associated with the Preposition apo = from (Appendix 104. iv) seven times, and with pro = before (Appendix 104. xiv) three times. The former refers to the kingdom, and is connected with the "counsels" of God; the latter refers to the Mystery (or Secret; See Appendix 193) and is connected with the "purpose" of God (see John 17:24, Ephesians 1:4, 1Peter 1:20).
Ample New Testament testimony is thus given to the profoundly significant fact recorded in Genesis 1:2, that "the earth became tohu and bohu (i.e. waste and desolate); and darkness was on the face of the deep", before the creation of "the heavens and the earth which are now"(2Peter 3:7). “ EW~Bullinger

Okay Sparky. Please show me, in your original post, what sentences were written originally by you. I’ll set the over at 3.

Of course you will say you have nothing to prove to me, why talk with a “liar”, right? #shakingmyhead

In Christ, the believer's destination is set. Once in Christ, the believer is predestinated unto the adoption which is the redemption of the body. The Holy Spirit has sealed the believer for this future purpose.

The Holy Spirit has sealed the believer for this future purpose.