Does God desire the salvation of all mankind?
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Me sticking strictly to what the Bible says is not me viewing the subject matter through the lens of fallen, corrupt, man. The Bible writers wrote spiritually sound and accurate information. Yet, you quote some third-party non-Biblical source and claim it's God's perspective. Amazing you have managed to trick yourself, or were deceived rather, into believing you know God's perspective.
Is your point that God does not really hate anyone, but the term hatred when used of God is a term that compares the difference of unfathomable love to the absence of it. As we use the term today, God hates no one ( just their sins which have consequences because of His perfect justice).
Is your point that God does not really hate anyone, but the term hatred when used of God is a term that compares the difference of unfathomable love to the absence of it. As we use the term today, God hates no one ( just their sins which have consequences because of His perfect justice). Thanks for the lesson.
Is your point that God does not really hate anyone, but the term hatred when used of God is a term that compares the difference of unfathomable love to the absence of it. As we use the term today, God hates no one ( just their sins which have consequences because of His perfect justice). Thanks for the lesson.
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Being quickened and saved by grace are the same Eph 2:5
5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved)
So one must first be made alive in order to believe, believing is active, which denotes life, but there is no life while dead before being quickened/saved. So believing Faith is resultive of having been quickened, made alive.
5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved)
So one must first be made alive in order to believe, believing is active, which denotes life, but there is no life while dead before being quickened/saved. So believing Faith is resultive of having been quickened, made alive.
New International Version
Then his people recalled the days of old, the days of Moses and his people— where is he who brought
them through the sea, with the shepherd of his flock? Where is he who set his Holy Spirit among them,
New Living Translation
Then they remembered those days of old when Moses led his people out of Egypt. They cried out, “Where is the one who brought Israel through the sea, with Moses as their shepherd? Where is the one who sent his Holy Spirit to be among his people?
English Standard Version
Then he remembered the days of old, of Moses and his people. Where is he who brought them up
out of the sea with the shepherds of his flock? Where is he who put in the midst of them his Holy Spirit,
Berean Standard Bible
Then His people remembered the days of old, the days of Moses. Where is He who brought them
through the sea with the shepherds of His flock? Where is the One who set His Holy Spirit among them,
King James Bible
Then he remembered the days of old, Moses, and his people, saying, Where is he that brought them
up out of the sea with the shepherd of his flock? where is he that put his holy Spirit within him?
New King James Version
Then he remembered the days of old, Moses and his people, saying: “Where is He who brought them
up out of the sea With the shepherd of His flock? Where is He who put His Holy Spirit within them,
New American Standard Bible
Then His people remembered the days of old, of Moses. Where is He who brought them up out of
the sea with the shepherds of His flock? Where is He who put His Holy Spirit in the midst of them,
NASB 1995
Then His people remembered the days of old, of Moses. Where is He who brought them up out of
the sea with the shepherds of His flock? Where is He who put His Holy Spirit in the midst of them,
NASB 1977
Then His people remembered the days of old, of Moses. Where is He who brought them up out of
the sea with the shepherds of His flock? Where is He who put His Holy Spirit in the midst of them,
Legacy Standard Bible
Then His people remembered the ancient days, of Moses. Where is He who brought them up out of
the sea with the shepherds of His flock? Where is He who put His Holy Spirit in the midst of them,
Amplified Bible
Then His people remembered the days of old, of Moses [and they said], Where is He who brought our fathers up out of
the [Red] Sea, with the shepherds of His flock [Moses and Aaron]? Where is He who put His Holy Spirit in their midst,
Christian Standard Bible
Then he remembered the days of the past, the days of Moses and his people. Where is he who brought
them out of the sea with the shepherds of his flock? Where is he who put his Holy Spirit among the flock?
Holman Christian Standard Bible
Then He remembered the days of the past, the days of Moses and his people. Where is He who brought
them out of the sea with the shepherds of His flock? Where is He who put His Holy Spirit among the flock?
American Standard Version
Then he remembered the days of old, Moses and his people, saying, Where is he that brought them up
out of the sea with the shepherds of his flock? where is he that put his holy Spirit in the midst of them?
Aramaic Bible in Plain English
And remember the days of old times of Moses his Servant as he brought forth from
the sea The Shepherd of his flock and as he put within him The Spirit of his Holiness
Brenton Septuagint Translation
Then he remembered the ancient days, saying, Where is he that brought up from
the sea the shepherd of the sheep? where is he that put his Holy Spirit in them?
Contemporary English Version
But his people remembered what had happened during the time of Moses. Didn't the LORD
bring them and their leaders safely through the sea? Didn't he give them his Holy Spirit?
Douay-Rheims Bible
And he remembered the days of old of Moses, and of his people: Where is he that brought them up out of
the sea, with the shepherds of his flock? where is he that put in the midst of them the spirit of his Holy One?
English Revised Version
Then he remembered the days of old, Moses, and his people, saying, Where is he that brought them up
out of the sea with the shepherds of his flock? where is he that put his holy spirit in the midst of them?
GOD'S WORD® Translation
Then his people remembered Moses and the distant past. Where is the one who brought them
out of the sea with the shepherds of his flock? Where is the one who put his Holy Spirit in them?
Good News Translation
But then they remembered the past, the days of Moses, the servant of the LORD, and they asked, "Where now
is the LORD, who saved the leaders of his people from the sea? Where is the LORD, who gave his spirit to Moses?
International Standard Version
Then they remembered the days of old, of Moses his servant. Where is the one who brought up
out of the sea the shepherds of his flock? Where is the one who put his Holy Spirit among them,
JPS Tanakh 1917
Then His people remembered the days of old, the days of Moses: 'Where is He that brought them up
out of the sea With the shepherds of His flock? Where is He that put His holy spirit In the midst of them?
Literal Standard Version
And He remembers the days of old, | Moses—his people. Where [is] He who is bringing them up
from the sea, | The shepherd of His flock? Where [is] He who is putting in its midst His Holy Spirit?
Majority Standard Bible
Then His people remembered the days of old, the days of Moses. Where is He who brought them through
the sea with the shepherds of His flock? Where is the One who set His Holy Spirit among them,
New American Bible
Then they remembered the days of old, of Moses, his servant: Where is the one who brought up
out of the sea the shepherd of his flock? Where is the one who placed in their midst his holy spirit,
NET Bible
His people remembered the ancient times. Where is the one who brought them up out of the sea,
along with the shepherd of his flock? Where is the one who placed his holy Spirit among them,
New Revised Standard Version
Then they remembered the days of old, of Moses his servant. Where is the one who brought them up
out of the sea with the shepherds of his flock? Where is the one who put within them his holy spirit,
New Heart English Bible
Then he remembered the days of old, Moses and his people, saying, Where is he who brought them
up out of the sea with the shepherds of his flock? Where is he who put his holy Spirit in their midst?
Webster's Bible Translation
Then he remembered the days of old, Moses, and his people, saying, Where is he that brought them
out of the sea with the shepherd of his flock? where is he that put his holy Spirit within him?
World English Bible
Then he remembered the days of old, Moses and his people, saying, “Where is he who brought them
up out of the sea with the shepherds of his flock? Where is he who put his Holy Spirit among them?”
Young's Literal Translation
And He remembereth the days of old, Moses -- his people. Where is He who is bringing them up
from the sea, The shepherd of his flock? Where is He who is putting in its midst His Holy Spirit?
Not true, and you have been corrected on this erroneous definition, but are adamantly unteachable.
Total depravity is an acknowledgement that as a result of the fall of man, his mind, will, emotions and
flesh have been corrupted by sin. How any Christian can claim the Bible does not teach this is beyond me.
You may as well say people are not born lost, dead to God. Come to think of it, I have seen that said, too
Total depravity is an acknowledgement that as a result of the fall of man, his mind, will, emotions and
flesh have been corrupted by sin. How any Christian can claim the Bible does not teach this is beyond me.
You may as well say people are not born lost, dead to God. Come to think of it, I have seen that said, too
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Let's see what Calvin had to say....
...our nature is not only destitute of all good, but is so fertile in all evils that it cannot remain inactive. Those who have called it concupiscence have used an expression not improper, if it were only added, which is far from being conceded by most persons, that everything in man, the understanding and will, the soul and body, is polluted and engrossed by this concupiscence; or, to express it more briefly, that man is of himself nothing else but concupiscence. (Institutes, Vol. I, Bk. II, Chap. 1, Para. 8; Allen translation.)
...our nature is not only destitute of all good, but is so fertile in all evils that it cannot remain inactive. Those who have called it concupiscence have used an expression not improper, if it were only added, which is far from being conceded by most persons, that everything in man, the understanding and will, the soul and body, is polluted and engrossed by this concupiscence; or, to express it more briefly, that man is of himself nothing else but concupiscence. (Institutes, Vol. I, Bk. II, Chap. 1, Para. 8; Allen translation.)
That is not my definition but since you love this false teaching let me post exactly what it found in the Westminster Confession of Faith:
I. Our first parents, being seduced by the subtilty and temptations of Satan, sinned, in eating the forbidden fruit. This their sin, God was pleased, according to His wise and holy counsel, to permit, having purposed to order it to His own glory.
II. By this sin they fell from their original righteousness and communion, with God, and so became dead in sin, and wholly defiled in all the parts and faculties of soul and body.
III. They being the root of all mankind, the guilt of this sin was imputed; and the same death in sin, and corrupted nature, conveyed to all their posterity descending from them by ordinary generation.
IV. From this original corruption, whereby we are utterly indisposed, disabled, and made opposite to all good, and wholly inclined to all evil, do proceed all actual transgressions.
This is exactly how I have summarized the false teaching of Total Depravity -- "wholly inclined To all evil". Now is this true or false? IT IS UTTERLY FALSE.
Was Job for example "wholly inclined to all evil" and "wholly defiled in all the parts and faculties of soul and body"? Let's see: There was a man in the land of Uz, whose name was Job; and that man was perfect and upright, and one that feared God, and eschewed evil. (Job 1:1)
So Calvinistic Total Depravity is a totally depraved doctrine.
I. Our first parents, being seduced by the subtilty and temptations of Satan, sinned, in eating the forbidden fruit. This their sin, God was pleased, according to His wise and holy counsel, to permit, having purposed to order it to His own glory.
II. By this sin they fell from their original righteousness and communion, with God, and so became dead in sin, and wholly defiled in all the parts and faculties of soul and body.
III. They being the root of all mankind, the guilt of this sin was imputed; and the same death in sin, and corrupted nature, conveyed to all their posterity descending from them by ordinary generation.
IV. From this original corruption, whereby we are utterly indisposed, disabled, and made opposite to all good, and wholly inclined to all evil, do proceed all actual transgressions.
This is exactly how I have summarized the false teaching of Total Depravity -- "wholly inclined To all evil". Now is this true or false? IT IS UTTERLY FALSE.
Was Job for example "wholly inclined to all evil" and "wholly defiled in all the parts and faculties of soul and body"? Let's see: There was a man in the land of Uz, whose name was Job; and that man was perfect and upright, and one that feared God, and eschewed evil. (Job 1:1)
So Calvinistic Total Depravity is a totally depraved doctrine.
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Thanks for CONTRADICTING Scripture. Anyone can see that you are refusing to accept the truth and continue to love the lies. Let's post another Scripture which refutes your claim )John 1:12,13): But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.
So which comes first the believing or the New Birth? The answer is obvious except to those who deliberately twist the Scriptures. And no one can be born again unless the gift of the Holy Spirit is given first. But the Holy Spirit is only given to those who repent and believe (Acts 2:38).
So which comes first the believing or the New Birth? The answer is obvious except to those who deliberately twist the Scriptures. And no one can be born again unless the gift of the Holy Spirit is given first. But the Holy Spirit is only given to those who repent and believe (Acts 2:38).
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Actually all non-liberal Reformed and Presbyterian churches require their members to believe and hold to the teachings of the Westminster Confession. Are you a member of such a church? If so go and talk to the pastor and confirm what I have said. So those "narrow parameters" are exactly what Reformed Theology represents.
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