How many People Think the Jews Could Be Wrong?

ok more confusion...

but wouldnt tribe of Dan etc be say be those who've aaliyahed back to land of Israel along with all the other tribes. Its not just tribe of Judah (Jews) that make up Israel

They not gentiles, they may or may not observe all the Jewish customs, but they speak Hebrew and believe in the One Almighty God. Even if they dont believe in Jesus as the Messiah. Some will, and they can trace their lineage back to Dan (or any other twelve patriarchs)

I know there are Ashers because one of my friends last name was Asher. They didnt just make that name up.

I don't condemn the Jews at all. Yes, God does love the Jewish people, he loves all people. But I stand by what I posted. The Jews, while not all, do condemn Jesus as a liar, charlatan, evil, and a false messiah. No getting around that.

Many peoples/faiths reject Jesus and I don't judge any of them. God is the judge. And God loves us all and it's His will that all be saved. So, that is my will also.

Glad to hear that bro.

that is awhole hodgepodge of different Bible versions you have there...do you just pick and choose different ones to support your theology?

The 144,000 Israelite commandos are chosen and sealed. They are redeemed. They know who they are and what they have to do.
And yes, they do understand that Jesus is the Messiah.

If we get caught up in material life and world and start looking to politiesand powers and nations and temples rather than Christ.

well obviously those who are in those tribes know who they are. They cant say they are lost. I dont know why ppl seem to think only the Judah tribe (Jews) are the only ones who know who they are or resist Jesus.

And obviously many Israelites esp thos who werent Jewish accept Jesus early on. Maybe thye just holding out for that one tribe who didnt. ?!

If it's not a physical temple, what then? Where will the man of sin take his seat?

the promises were spoken to Israel so John hears the promise given only to
Israel

“And I saw another angel ascending from the east, having the seal of the living God: and he cried with a loud voice to the four angels, to whom it was given to hurt the earth and the sea, saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads. And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭7:2-

but it was fulfilled in what John saw people from all nations became the hiers israel and all the nations together through the lord Jesus and his gospel

“After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands; and cried with a loud voice, saying, Salvation to our God which sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb.

And all the angels stood round about the throne, and about the elders and the four beasts, and fell before the throne on their faces, and worshipped God, saying, Amen: Blessing, and glory, and wisdom, and thanksgiving, and honour, and power, and might, be unto our God for ever and ever. Amen. And one of the elders answered, saying unto me, What are these which are arrayed in white robes? and whence came they? And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb. Therefore are they before the throne of God, and serve him day and night in his temple: and he that sitteth on the throne shall dwell among them. They shall hunger no more, neither thirst any more; neither shall the sun light on them, nor any heat. For the Lamb which is in the midst of the throne shall feed them, and shall lead them unto living fountains of waters: and God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭7:9

The word given to israel when the ot had then seperate was fulfilled in all the nations because of their rejection of their promises messiah

What John hears and then what he sees is showing us the promises bieng fulfilled different than what we thought

John hears prophecy and sees revelation of it

“And I saw when the Lamb opened one of the seals, and I heard, as it were the noise of thunder, one of the four beasts saying, Come and see. ( it’s being revealed come look ) And I saw, and behold a white horse: and he that sat on him had a bow; and a crown was given unto him: and he went forth conquering, and to conquer.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭6:1-2‬ ‭

John hears the prophecy and sees the revelation he hears that isreel alone would be chosen , but he saw that all nations of people were chosen. Wrote the throne having thier garments washed in the blood of the messiah

“ And he said, It is a light thing that thou shouldest be my servant to raise up the tribes of Jacob, and to restore the preserved of Israel: I will also give thee for a light to the Gentiles, that thou mayest be my salvation unto the end of the earth.

Thus saith the LORD, the Redeemer of Israel, and his Holy One, to him whom man despiseth, to him whom the nation abhorreth, to a servant of rulers, Kings shall see and arise, princes also shall worship, because of the LORD that is faithful, and the Holy One of Israel, and he shall choose thee. Thus saith the LORD, In an acceptable time have I heard thee, and in a day of salvation have I helped thee: and I will preserve thee, and give thee for a covenant of the people, to establish the earth, to cause to inherit the desolate heritages; that thou mayest say to the prisoners, Go forth; to them that are in darkness, Shew yourselves.

They shall feed in the ways, and their pastures shall be in all high places. They shall not hunger nor thirst; neither shall the heat nor sun smite them: for he that hath mercy on them shall lead them, even by the springs of water shall he guide them.

And I will make all my mountains a way, and my highways shall be exalted. Behold, these shall come from far: and, lo, these from the north and from the west; and these from the land of Sinim. Sing, O heavens; and be joyful, O earth; and break forth into singing, O mountains: for the LORD hath comforted his people, and will have mercy upon his afflicted.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭49:2, 6-13‬ ‭KJV‬‬

and they sang a new song with better lyrics

“And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation; and hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.

And I beheld, and I heard the voice of many angels round about the throne and the beasts and the elders: and the number of them was ten thousand times ten thousand, and thousands of thousands; saying with a loud voice, Worthy is the Lamb that was slain to receive power, and riches, and wisdom, and strength, and honour, and glory, and blessing.

And every creature which is in heaven, and on the earth, and under the earth, and such as are in the sea, and all that are in them, heard I saying, Blessing, and honour, and glory, and power, be unto him that sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb for ever and ever.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭5:9-

the promises made to israel
I’m the ot are fulfilled in all
Believers everywhere from all nations and languages all kin of man can be born of God and become his hiers the New Testament reveals this To us believers in Jesus are the children of Abraham no matter thier skintone or bloodline or flesh

in the hearts of people who are the temple that’s where he defiles people and where avid saves them we need to let Jesus sit as king in the temple and not allow evil to dwell there in Gods temple

when we consistently persist in sin we’re doing these things in Gods presence just as we can serve shod by his spirit we can also serve Satan by his of we allow him to rule our heart and mind rather than the gospel

man is a temple for spirit Gods spirit is offered in Christ

“And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father. Wherefore thou art no more a servant, but a son; and if a son, then an heir of God through Christ.”
‭‭Galatians‬ ‭4:6-7‬ ‭

this is by his spirit but we can also not accept his spirit and follow him and let him lead us in life we can instead follow the evil spiritual influences on earth and allow sin to sit in our temple meant for Jesus

2/3 (actually more than that) of the Bible is prophecy. We are under obligation to master it, teach it and preach it.

Insipid generalities are spewed by charlatans and frauds everywhere. We, the Church, deal in certainties and specifics.

thats what I thought...

why are peeps now complicating matters?

Do they?

In the bodies (temples) of those receiving his mark.

So you agree then that the materialism of dispensationalism is fraud.

Besides in Zech 14, tells us the Whole World had to report to the Fourth TEMPLE for the Feast of Tabnacles once a year or NO RAIN WILL FALL ON THEIR CROPS. Sounds like a MAJOR Incentive to move to as close as you can.

I cannot believe in these days how few want to believe ISRAEL will be Wiped Out by WWIII, full scale Nuclear Holocost, followed closely by the Second Coming, so bad that if they do not FLEE the Country ahead of time, they could be part of the BLOOD SHALL RUN OUT OF THE VALLEY as Deep as Bridles of Horses, PLUS THE PLAGUES.

Zechariah 14:12-13 (HCSB)
12 This will be the plague the LORD strikes all the peoples with, who have warred against Jerusalem: their flesh will rot while they stand on their feet, their eyes will rot in their sockets, and their tongues will rot in their mouths.
13 On that day a great panic from the LORD will be among them, so that each will seize the hand of another, and the hand of one will rise against the other.

Dear Brother, You immediately opened with a false premise = "the promises were spoken to Israel so John hears the promise given only to
Israel"

Gospel Truth = John 1:9-13

The true Light who gives light to every man was coming into the world. He was in the world, and though the world was made through Him, the world did not recognize Him. He came to His own, and His own did not receive Him.
But to all who did receive Him, to those who believed in His name, He gave the right to become children of God—

A.) children born not of blood
B.) nor of the desire or will of man,
C.) but born of God.



GOSPEL Truth = Romans 9:23-26
that He might make known the riches of His glory on the vessels of mercy, which He had prepared beforehand for glory,
even us whom He called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles?

As He says also in Hosea:
“I will call them My people, who were not My people,
And her beloved, who was not beloved.”
“And it shall come to pass in the place where it was said to them,
‘You are not My people,’
There they shall be called sons of the living God.”

GOSPEL Truth = Romans 9:30

What shall we say then? That Gentiles, who did not pursue righteousness, have attained to righteousness,
even the righteousness of faith;

CONCLUSION of GOSPEL TRUTH = Galatians 3:26-29

For you are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus.
For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus.
And if you are Christ’s, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.

Turn away from religious heresy that is not submitted unto the GOSPEL of JESUS the Christ.

You are currently looking thru the eyes of a religious error = separating Jew from Gentile in Christ.

uh yes...everyone has a name or family name....you dont get assigned one or make it yourself, if you are male Hebrew youd be born into that family and circumcised on the 8th day if your family wanted to keep your heritage. Men could always pull their pants down and see.

many culttures can trace their heritage back many generations. They all know where they came from.

Christians are different we are born again from above and have no need to say we are of this or that tribe. We belong to Gods family irrespective of what tribe we were born into on earth

amen

“And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation: neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there!

for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭17:20-21‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“And after the sop Satan entered into him. Then said Jesus unto him, That thou doest, do quickly.”
‭‭John‬ ‭13:27‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“Then entered Satan into Judas surnamed Iscariot, being of the number of the twelve.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭22:3‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“And always, night and day, he was in the mountains, and in the tombs, crying, and cutting himself with stones. But when he saw Jesus afar off, he ran and worshipped him, and cried with a loud voice, and said, What have I to do with thee, Jesus, thou Son of the most high God? I adjure thee by God, that thou torment me not.

For he said unto him, Come out of the man, thou unclean spirit. And he asked him, What is thy name? And he answered, saying, My name is Legion: for we are many….

( Jesus cleaned his temple and healed the man ) And they come to Jesus, and see him that was possessed with the devil, and had the legion, sitting, and clothed, and in his right mind: and they were afraid.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭5:5-9, 15‬ ‭

as Christian’s we should consider spiritual warfare a real thing and the influences spiritual evil has in this world to get Into our heart and corrupt us

We should prepare ourselves for battle

“Finally, my brethren, be strong in the Lord, and in the power of his might. Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil. For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places. Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand. Stand therefore, having your loins girt about with truth, and having on the breastplate of righteousness; and your feet shod with the preparation of the gospel of peace; above all, taking the shield of faith, wherewith ye shall be able to quench all the fiery darts of the wicked. And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God: praying always with all prayer and supplication in the Spirit, and watching thereunto with all perseverance and supplication for all saints;”
‭‭Ephesians‬ ‭6:10-18‬ ‭KJV‬‬

and be vigilant in guarding against his strongholds in us in our mind and heart

“For though we walk in the flesh, we do not war after the flesh: (for the weapons of our warfare are not carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down of strong holds) casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ;”
‭‭2 Corinthians‬ ‭10:3-5‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Our thinking leads us and spirit comes to us through our mind