Are Christians more accepting of charlatans then we should be?

I am content to know Him and fellowship with Him. Nevertheless Faith believes God's word and sees 3000 saved in one day in the Bible (megachurch) and goes forth in the power of the Holy Ghost and has no problem expecting similar results.

Those who complain about megachurches and mighty moves of God can huddle together in their living rooms with their miserable little opinions and talk about all those false Christians out there, and repeat their SAD stories about how they got offended at the megachurch, as for me I will go with the Holy Spirit into all the world and watch Him turn it upside down again in these last days. I will believe God for an unlimited harvest of souls that one church will not be large enough for them all to meet in at one time. I think God loves it when He can find people of such faith. He is looking for them.

Yes many are tolerant of them. But many of these church leaders were dealt a big blow with their failed election prophecies. And due to the pandemic people have less to give. So thats another blow for them right there.

Yes many are tolerant of them. But many of these church leaders were dealt a big blow with their failed election prophecies. And due to the pandemic people have less to give. So thats another blow for them right there.

You're correct. I don't know how big, but many have taken a hit.
Those false election prophecies are just off the chain. All of those guys should close up shop, and go away into obscurity.

It's still all part of God's plan.

Hello everybody,

I hope you are all well.
I have been lurking on this forum for some time and decided to join - thanks to the administrators for approving my profile very quickly.

The thing I'd like to get people's views on is whether we as a broad church are more accepting of charlatans and narcissists than we should be.

I had a bad experience at a so called church (Hillsong) about 2 years ago and haven't returned since.
I left because I didn't like how people were manipulated into tithing (not a requirement for modern day Christians) and side-lined if they didn't give in to the manipulation.
I gave to the Church myself, but eventually realised I was doing so under compulsion which is when my eyes were opened to the manipulation.

I also didn't like how closed the 'books' (financial records) were.
The pastor always said the the 'books' were open and free for all to examine, but when a couple of people from the church asked to look at the 'books', they were simply forwarded to the statutory accounts on a government website.
The statutory accounts provide a summary, not a full breakdown.

The pastor and his wife were also living the life of Riley: new car paid for by church, utility bills paid for by church, travel expenses paid for by church, near £40k a year wage (which doesn't include his wife's wage!).
I even witnessed the pastor say during a sermon that he is "God's gift to the church"! Massive ego.

I came to the conclusion that the church was being run like a business.
I did some research on Hillsong and realised that Hillsong is definitely money orientated.

Any thoughts?

Sorry in advance if this divides opinion.

But where can one find a good church? All of them have faults.

If you paid attention to everything that goes on in a church, you may just decide to avoide going.

Yes God said He would send them a strong delusion because they refuse to believe the truth.

today the most common belief is to go to seminary and study and get a PhD from an institution and then you are authorized to preach Gods word .

that costs several thousand dollars of one takes it seriously and doesn’t go for an internet certification or anything the world demands they certify you . people want credentials .and also you have to come to thier overall conclusions about what scripture says and what does and doesn’t apply to you .

But there’s no structure that resembles anything like that in scripture that one goes to be authorized by worldly institutions first ,

it seems effect of this is rampant now

“For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;

And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.”
‭‭2 Timothy‬ ‭4:3-4‬ ‭KJV‬‬


And of course spend millions ( rather than help the poor ) to build campasses and charge lots to attend like a worldly business .


I believe you are on to a very big problem in the world wide church , at least many on the wealthier nations

Wasn't that talking about the Man of Sin that the world would follow in the tribulation?

If you pray and believe God to direct you He will lead you to a good church. I have seen it happen for everyone who set their heart to pray and believe God. He knows how to do it.

Yes indeed but the delusion has started.

I pray He will do that for me. But i dont believe that any pastor is perfect in understanding or infallible when preaching.

It's ironic how what Trump did for Israel is a part of Israel's prophecy, not part of the Holy Bible. But Believers have mistakenly used what God [did] for Israel through Trump as a sign. Trump did his job. And his job only needed a single term for God to put everything into place.

What did Trump do for Israel? Do you mean the US acknowledging that Jerusalem was their capital? Or mediating opening up travel and trade with some other middle east nations? What is the prophesy?

When Trump recognized Jerusalem the [mint] in Israel printed "coins' with Trump's face calling him {Cyrus}. Cyrus, none Jew (Gentile) did something special for Ancient Israel. There was some writings about it during that time. But to Israel it was something prophetic that took place.

When Trump recognized Jerusalem the [mint] in Israel printed "coins' with Trump's face calling him {Cyrus}. Cyrus, none Jew (Gentile) did something special for Ancient Israel. There was some writings about it during that time. But to Israel it was something prophetic that took place.